hello everybody...maybe you know 4mfor military diecast (by marklin)...does anybody know when it will be avalaible boxer or puma? thanks

no answer? nobody knows?

Hi Claudiu, I might be wrong but I don't think there's much interest in Die Cast Armor among Armorama members so it's not surprising that nobody has answered
I can only suggest you Keep an eye on their website http://www.4mfor.de/en/

I know I am going to open a BIG can of worms with this. This is what I think of Die cast Armor, Die Cast Air Craft, or any of the Pre Painted stuff out there. To me it is nothing but junk. Instead of putting there money into prebuilts!!!! Iam going to stop hear.

Wolf

^^^My sentiments as well.^^^

Diecast......models for the sick, lame and lazy!!!!

Rounds Complete!!

Hey Guys

I know the stuff sells, but I just wish the Hobby Shops would stop selling it. The closes shop to me is in New Orleans and it is full of the stuff. Just about as much of it as they have models.

Wolf

Die-Cast models cater to a whole other group and the 'hobby' portion of die-cast is basically "collecting"
It has absolutely nothing to do with the creative aspect of the hobby.

That said, there are some 1:32 old cars in die-cast that you can't find in plastic. I've seen these used very effectively in dioramas. Normally they are stripped and repainted and have detail added. They are generally used as 'side' pieces (not the focal point) and often times are the only alternative short of scratch building.

Cheers,
Charles

After that kind of remark I wonder what people think of you Mike

To you and all the other detractors, as Charles pointed out it's a hobby, a different one to ours, one of collecting rather than construction, and why should we knock anybody who decides to follow a different pastime to the one we've chosen. Who knows, their interest in armour may lead them into modelling as well.

Alan

I have bought a few Diecast planes in 1/72 scale. It was aircraft I wanted to have a representation of but either didn't want to build or there was no kit available. Some of the Dragon planes are really nice and cost $5 more then the kits. Since I build mostly armor they are an easy alternative if I want an F-16, Mig-15 or F-100.

I also don't leave them as is. I will add extra weapons, or pilots to them and repaint cockpits if needed, so the modeler in me still gets into the act.

Tom

many thanks for all answers .....it's a forum and it's ok to have critics
I like modelling.....and it's one of my hobbies...to build plastic models (airplanes, tanks and navy). But I have too a large collection of diecast models......
I like to play war games with my collection of military diecast...and diecast models are far too solid than plastic:)

and....thanks alan

and pat too

If people like them, then I see no reason to critcize them for it. I've got a pretty reasonable collection of Matchbox' Models of Yesteryear also a fair few of the Dinky Military subjects from the 1950s and 60s (along with a few of their Foden Trucks) and assorted Sci-Fi/TV releases.

So, because I didn't build them, i'm in the sick, lame & lazy category as well?

Thanks...

I've got a few diecast tanks from Minichamps (plus aircraft too from different manufacturers) but even though they're pretty good the detailing and accuracy aren't obviously up to the latest standards of Dragon, Tamiya etc. The way I see it is it comes in handy to have both kits and diecasts. Kits for the accuracy and diecast to build up a quick collection of different colour schemes etc.

Last night I was messing around with my Dragon 1/72 Diecast Me-262 and gave it a wash to accent the panel lines and gave it powder smudges on the gun ports. So the modeling skills come into play. I used to use Rocos rebuilt and painted for my war gaming. Then moved into 285th scale with GHQs still painted and weathered. Sadly I had to give up gaming due to a lack of players and time.

Diecast has a place and can be a hobby in its own right.

Tom

I have to say I'm a bit disapointed in the responses you guys made regarding another hobby. Essentially, both collectors and modelers both share the love of military vehicles and airplanes. Who is to say one is "lazy" or "wrong" to collect rather than build. I have plenty of friends who are ex-modelers who now collect diecast. Mainly its for the same reason- they just found that with age they lost the patience to build. Therefore, they found diecast to satisfy their love of military memorobelia. Whats wrong with that? Heck, some of them add parts to them, paint them up, add different decals to them, or remove parts to scratchbuild interior bits. Its essentially modeling sped ahead to their favorite aspects.

I guess what im trying to say that i pegged some of you the wrong way. Shouldnt we both be banded together-modelers and collectors- because we share the same passion?

A similiar ? was asked a couple of weeks ago. With the same response and some of the same people. Its a shame because that could be that persons first interaction with members of the site. If you dont care for die-cast move on. No reason to knock the people who enjoy it.

Belt-Fed, I like to build but You raise a very valid point ! I like the way you put it, Shareing the "Same Passion" milvehfan

Yep, it's neither lazy nor wrong to collect diecast. It's great to have the choice of both.

It would appear my words have cause quite a stir. For those I have offended...I apologize and offer a slight explaination

If you are buying diecast ONLY for collecting of for WARGAMING, that is perfectly understandable. And yes I accept that collecting diecast is a hobby in its own. In general...great

When you repaint a diecast.....add a part or just mount it in a scene and call that "modeling" that is where my comment applies.

Hell, my stash is essentially a collection. Collecting anything is fine as a hobby. But taking premade items, adding one or two things and calling it a "model".... nope that does not cut it with me.

Lastly, let me just say this old soldier can be gruff at times but as I have apologized, "nothing is personal, just modeling".

The most important thing is whatever you are doing, and no matter what anyone else says, you are having fun.

Hopefully that explains my comments and we can all return to our regular forum!!

Rounds Complete!!

Diecast sales also help keep most shops open.

I loved having diecast stuff in my cube when I didn't have the space to build for years.

I dun'no..? From my perspective, diecast recently actually got me back into building my own. Here is my personal experience and story - as I think, from my own experience - diecast has spurred the desire and sparked an interest for many folks - obviously (keep reading) myself included…

I'm 52 years old and have not built a model since the age of 12 or thereabouts? And - as far as I can recall - never built an armor vehicle. Mostly it was WW2 aircraft and a ship or two back then. So - forty years later, I found this site and have lurked on it for a few months in absolute AWE of the talent here, and more recently - registered to post. Truth is, this site actually spurred my interest in Armor and Dioramas…

So - to make a long story short - a month ago I bought a diecast (FOV) T-34/85, a few books about armor modeling and dioramas and kept reading and learning from this site. Ultimately - I figured I'd use the diecast as my "test mule" for learning how to airbrush, building a diorama, whatever… I mean - for $40 in a diecast investment - if I wreaked it, I didn't have hours and hours into the model build (well, in the end - I did, but - well - so much for that thought process???

So - below is my slightly "enhanced" dicast (weld seams, repainting most of the areas, weathering, home-built detail parts and interior bits, mesh engine grate, etc. It's mounted on my first diorama ever - along with three repainted figures)… So - while my work is certainly not great - diecast actually provided me the courage to build armor models and I'm almost done with a 1/48 scale Tamiya German Panther Type G - which I'm really pleased with, but that's another post..

This is my "2-bits" about Diecast - and just for me - it helped me rediscover something from about forty years ago long past. And I hope to have another forty years learning how to do all this right..













And oh - please don't flame me - it's my first post!! Please wait until my second post to flame me..

John

Edit by John D: Three Edits later - I figured out the IMG thingy

First off, John - welcome to Armorama.
That's a nice effort you've done there, even if you did use "junk." These days, with several factors (and personalities) driving people FROM the hobby, it's nice to see something that brought you back to it. From your efforts, you don't appear to be lazy...

I'm not t abig fan of die-cast myself, simply because it can't capture the detail that styrene or resin can. I HAVE used it. Many years ago, I helped Lockheed Martin Missile Division with several ATACMS I and II missiles. When i was asked to do two HIMARS vehicles, the only sensible option was to use the Forces of Valor HIMARS. With the help of the good folks at Lockheed, (which is fifteen miles from my home, if that) and my own walkaround taken at White Sands Missile Range, I was able to produce some highly detailed HIMARS from those die-cast "toys." If grinding off overly large or thick details and replacing them is lazy, or adding all the plumbing and small details not found on the die-cast, then call me lazy. Opening a box of styrene parts certainly would have been simpler, had it been an option.
This little gem ALMOST got used in an ISAF dio itself. It has crisper detail than a lot of Revell kits I've built:

Like the saying goes...one man meat, another man poision...I think..
Well, English language is not my native tongue...so I can afford this mistake...hee...hee...

I guess there is no right or wrong...it all depends on what you want and if you have the time to do what you really want. Go on. link the link below to see this posting on another forum...I think he did a wonderful job...I wish I could do that myself.

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