Greetings all,
I was chatting with a friend about modern tanks that could be modeled for these recent campaigns and proposing we build an M-1 Abrams in Iraq, when he suggested that we could build M-60 Pattons in Afghanistan. He said that he read that the Marines took M-60s to Afghanistan since the roads were too narrow to properly operate the rather wide Abrams. I am sceptical about M-60s, so I want to ask if such a case is true.I know there were M-60s during Desert Storm operated by Marines. Were there any Pattons rolling around in OIF or Afghanistan? If so, what markings did they carry and can they be easily modeled?
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M-60s in Iraq or Afghanistan?
emroglan
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Posted: Friday, February 20, 2009 - 10:41 PM UTC
Erik67
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Posted: Friday, February 20, 2009 - 11:02 PM UTC
US Forces stopped using the M-60 in the early 90s.
Erik
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 12:10 AM UTC
Hi Emre
What about depicting some M60s as used by the Turkish army in northern Iraq back in February 2008 ?
Frenchy
What about depicting some M60s as used by the Turkish army in northern Iraq back in February 2008 ?
Frenchy
emroglan
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 12:33 AM UTC
Those are good Frenchy and I will definitely be building some Turkish tanks (M-47 or M-60) this year. Our new camouflage with the strange yellow/sand color looks really interesting, the first photo shows one with that color (on the left) while the following tanks still have the old Nato colors.
However the debate was whether there were American tanks out there, it seems I was right about them not existing
. Now I have to convince my friend, who is notoriously known as very, very stubborn.
However the debate was whether there were American tanks out there, it seems I was right about them not existing
. Now I have to convince my friend, who is notoriously known as very, very stubborn.
redleg12
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 02:07 AM UTC
To be specific....during ODS the US Marine units were still using M60's and had them in the gulf
The M60 was phased out of sevice with all US military units by the mid 1990s
No M60s therefore were used during OIF, nor are there any US M60s in Afgahanistan. It is possible, though unlikely, that one of the other nations who are participating in the Afgahanistan war may have an M60 there.
Rounds Complete!!
The M60 was phased out of sevice with all US military units by the mid 1990s
No M60s therefore were used during OIF, nor are there any US M60s in Afgahanistan. It is possible, though unlikely, that one of the other nations who are participating in the Afgahanistan war may have an M60 there.
Rounds Complete!!
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 02:23 AM UTC
Thanks Mike!
warlock109
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 07:34 AM UTC
Concord has a couple of books out that show US Army and USMC M60's in "Desert Shield" and "Desert Storm". Lots of good pictures. Most Army M60's, M1's and M1IP's that were deployed for "Desert Shield" were replaced with M1A1's just prior to the start of "Desert Storm"
Jerry
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 08:50 AM UTC
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No. The only NATO countries using tanks in A-stan are Canada and Denmark. They use Leo 2s.
AVLBs were used in OIF. Yes that's a M60 hull, but it's not a gun tank.
The third largest country contributing to Afghanistan is Germany, who role around in Leopards. The second Is Great Britain who are in challengers and Then America. So there are more than Denmark and Canada in Afghanistan
emroglan
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 08:59 AM UTC
Thanks a lot for the additional info.
My friend has a M-60 kit with ERA, but now he's convinced that he won't be able to build it as "modern as he likes". He said he will stick to First Gulf War. You helped me overcome his stubbornness, so thanks.
As Frenchy reminded me once more, I will build my M-60 as a Turkish Army tank. The only problem is that I own Italeri's A1 version. Our fancy looking tanks are all A3s, so either I'll have to convert or use ordinary colors. I think I will start another thread for the tanks and necessary conversions when I get around to build that one.
Once again, thanks for the clarifications.
My friend has a M-60 kit with ERA, but now he's convinced that he won't be able to build it as "modern as he likes". He said he will stick to First Gulf War. You helped me overcome his stubbornness, so thanks.
As Frenchy reminded me once more, I will build my M-60 as a Turkish Army tank. The only problem is that I own Italeri's A1 version. Our fancy looking tanks are all A3s, so either I'll have to convert or use ordinary colors. I think I will start another thread for the tanks and necessary conversions when I get around to build that one.
Once again, thanks for the clarifications.
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:27 AM UTC
In Afghanistan? There is mate!
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Quoted Text
Quoted TextNo. The only NATO countries using tanks in A-stan are Canada and Denmark. They use Leo 2s.
AVLBs were used in OIF. Yes that's a M60 hull, but it's not a gun tank.
The third largest country contributing to Afghanistan is Germany, who role around in Leopards. The second Is Great Britain who are in challengers and Then America. So there are more than Denmark and Canada in Afghanistan
Huh??? You are kidding, right??? Would you care to let the rest of us know where you got your information on the Germans, the Brits and the US having tanks in A-stan??
I know that it is challenging to try to put Owsley into his place but I gotta see the source on this post... Sometimes it is better to believe him.
John
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:41 AM UTC
He asked if they were used in Afghan or Iraq and to me gary put no. the only guys to use armour in A-stan was canads and danes, If he is refuring to Afghanistan yeah all of those are using armour. i am not saying I know it all but it helps to read once in a while so have a happy time with Owsley
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:45 AM UTC
I am pretty sure there are US tanks in Afghanistan...right??
I'm not missing anything am I??
Evan
I'm not missing anything am I??
Evan
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:51 AM UTC
Yes there is mate, I am fully aware of the Dutch and Canadians in Afghan They do a dam good job and There are some nice photos of them out their with the LAV's and Leopards.
Martyn
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:52 AM UTC
Martyn,
Don't take this personally, but maybe you should read what is being posted and post something that adds to the discussion, not throw wild statements out there to see who bites on it. Your post indicates that the Germans, British and the US all tanks deployed to Afghanistan, not have significant amounts of soldiers deployed there. If I have read this wrong, then my mistake but to me, you are not speaking from a position of knowledge. If you have info that shows that the countries in question have tanks deployed, then I would love to see it.
John
Don't take this personally, but maybe you should read what is being posted and post something that adds to the discussion, not throw wild statements out there to see who bites on it. Your post indicates that the Germans, British and the US all tanks deployed to Afghanistan, not have significant amounts of soldiers deployed there. If I have read this wrong, then my mistake but to me, you are not speaking from a position of knowledge. If you have info that shows that the countries in question have tanks deployed, then I would love to see it.
John
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:54 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextNo. The only NATO countries using tanks in A-stan are Canada and Denmark. They use Leo 2s.
AVLBs were used in OIF. Yes that's a M60 hull, but it's not a gun tank.
The third largest country contributing to Afghanistan is Germany, who role around in Leopards. The second Is Great Britain who are in challengers and Then America. So there are more than Denmark and Canada in Afghanistan
Huh??? You are kidding, right??? Would you care to let the rest of us know where you got your information on the Germans, the Brits and the US having tanks in A-stan??
John he is not kididng because there was an arcticle on German armour in Afganista, the Brisith did have warrior with Wrap 2 armour because my brother is using one and i have pictures of them in service in afgan.
I know that it is challenging to try to put Owsley into his place but I gotta see the source on this post... Sometimes it is better to believe him.
John
John he is not kididng because there was an arcticle on German armour in Afganista, the Brisith did have warrior with Wrap 2 armour because my brother is using one and i have pictures of them in service in afganistan also I've seen a documentry about camp bastion with Warriors there
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:54 AM UTC
I believe you will find that Gary and John are correct regarding the use of MBTs in Afghanistan at this current time..
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:55 AM UTC
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Thats how I see it. Mate Pm with your adress you can have the books The only NATO countries using tanks in A-stan are Canada and Denmark.
And I am pretty sure they have some armour over there but thats if you count afv 's as wellwarlock109
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:59 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextConcord has a couple of books out that show US Army and USMC M60's in "Desert Shield" and "Desert Storm". Lots of good pictures. Most Army M60's, M1's and M1IP's that were deployed for "Desert Shield" were replaced with M1A1's just prior to the start of "Desert Storm"Jerry
Ok? That was 18 years ago. The question was as to their use now.
Sorry Gary, I wasn't clear. I was trying to make the same point. I think 1991 was the last time M60's were used. I'm sure that none were used in Afghanistan or OIF.
Jerry
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 10:05 AM UTC
Gary we got a bit mixed up there I ment that the british are using warriors which, does come under tank but also AFV
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