Supper Stuart
I bet the M3 and M5 Stuart crews wish they had this one instead???
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Supper Stuart
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2009 - 06:58 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:28 PM UTC
Very neat looking tank there! I bet they wish they had one as well! What base Stuart kit did you use?
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:38 PM UTC
Intereasting "What if" whats the turret and barrel come from?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 12:31 AM UTC
I like it, we should do a fun project every now and then. Does anybody remember the DC comic book the "Haunted Tank" ? It was in the 60's(damn I am old) the crew's tank was a Stuart, some where along the line the original tank was badly damaged and was resurrected as a "Frankenstein" tank with all sorts of bits and pieces from other tanks. Your build has given me an idea ! Thanks again !!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 07:44 AM UTC
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I like it, we should do a fun project every now and then. Does anybody remember the DC comic book the "Haunted Tank" ? It was in the 60's(damn I am old) the crew's tank was a Stuart, some where along the line the original tank was badly damaged and was resurrected as a "Frankenstein" tank with all sorts of bits and pieces from other tanks. Your build has given me an idea ! Thanks again !!!!
I remember reading a comic called the Haunted Tank, but all I remember is that the ghost of J.E.B. Stuart on his horse would appear to the crew and give them warnings about things. The commander may have been a descendent of him or something. I don't remember the Frankenstein angle but this was like 45 years ago
I used to love military comics like Sgt. Rock and Easy Company much more than the superhero ones. I remember another comic that was about WWI pilots that I really liked as well, but I don't recall if it was a separate comic or a feature in another comic. One story always stayed with me was about a WWI pilot in a two-seater engaged in a dogfight flying into a cloud to escape his pursuer. He comes out of the other side of the cloud and finds him and his gunner in the middle of a dogfight involving jet fighters. They get appropriately freaked out as do the jet pilots. The gunner gets shot by one of the jets as it strafes them and he dives back into the clouds to escape. He comes out back in his own time and makes it back to his airfield. Of course nobody believes him until the surgeon comes out of the clinic with a never before seen precision made large caliber bullet removed from the gunner! The last panel was everybody totally wide eyed with their mouths hanging open in total shock!
A bit but you stirred some memories and I have to grab them before they fade.
Removed by original poster on 03/03/09 - 21:12:29 (GMT).
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 09:11 AM UTC
Hey Fred,
It looks kinda like the Stuarts that the Brasilians rebuilt, the Bernardini X1A:
Bernardini Stuarts
Cheers
jjumbo
It looks kinda like the Stuarts that the Brasilians rebuilt, the Bernardini X1A:
Bernardini Stuarts
Cheers
jjumbo
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 09:14 AM UTC
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Intereasting "What if" whats the turret and barrel come from?
Isn't that a Verlinden turret? A Hyper velocity 60mm autocannon that was mounted on the M113 by the IDF and possibly on something like the Sherman by someone in South America? Or was that just the gun mounted on old tanks?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 09:27 AM UTC
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Quoted TextIntereasting "What if" whats the turret and barrel come from?
Isn't that a Verlinden turret? A Hyper velocity 60mm autocannon that was mounted on the M113 by the IDF and possibly on something like the Sherman by someone in South America? Or was that just the gun mounted on old tanks?
IIRC, Fred's build is similar to the Verlinden conversion of an Israeli design for the M113 HVMS :
M113 HVMS
Cheers
jjumbo
Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 10:20 AM UTC
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Hey Fred,
It looks kinda like the Stuarts that the Brasilians rebuilt, the Bernardini X1A:
jjumbo
Exactly what I was thinking. My question is where did the suspension units come from? I really want to build an X1 & X1A2 and need those suspensions. They're from a high Speed Tractor, no?
Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 11:44 AM UTC
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Hey Fred,
It looks kinda like the Stuarts that the Brasilians rebuilt, the Bernardini X1A:
Bernardini Stuarts
Cheers
jjumbo
.Hey Guys
Ywall are all right, when I built this model back in 88 the right turret was not available to do a correct X1A. So I used the VL turret, the suspension came from an old 1/35 Nito M4-18 ton High-speed Tractor
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 12:19 PM UTC
Supper Stuart, I was expecting to see some sort of self propelled field kitchen based on an old Stuart chassis. Nice job.
There was some discussion on the Fine Scale Modeling armor forum and also on the AFV News forum regarding the old Haunted Tank Frankenstein conglomeration. Someone even remembered the issue and the configuration. http://cs.finescale.com/forums/9744/ShowPost.aspx
There was even a new comic book released recently about a new Haunted Tank, this time, an Abrams http://newsarama.com/comics/080725-HauntedTank.html
There was some discussion on the Fine Scale Modeling armor forum and also on the AFV News forum regarding the old Haunted Tank Frankenstein conglomeration. Someone even remembered the issue and the configuration. http://cs.finescale.com/forums/9744/ShowPost.aspx
There was even a new comic book released recently about a new Haunted Tank, this time, an Abrams http://newsarama.com/comics/080725-HauntedTank.html
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 12:46 PM UTC
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Supper Stuart, I was expecting to see some sort of self propelled field kitchen based on an old Stuart chassis. Nice job.
There was some discussion on the Fine Scale Modeling armor forum and also on the AFV News forum regarding the old Haunted Tank Frankenstein conglomeration. Someone even remembered the issue and the configuration. http://cs.finescale.com/forums/9744/ShowPost.aspx
There was even a new comic book released recently about a new Haunted Tank, this time, an Abrams http://newsarama.com/comics/080725-HauntedTank.html
Very cool! As I said, it was 45 years ago that I was reading it! Lots has happened since then! I didn't know the make-up of the tank. Back then I could tell a tank from say, a Volkswagen Beetle or a ski boat, but not much else!
Now, a self-propelled field kitchen- that's a thought! It's a wonder the Germans didn't have one- An Sd. Kfz. 312 ausf A "Essen Schlepper"
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 05:40 PM UTC
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Very neat looking tank there! I bet they wish they had one as well! What base Stuart kit did you use?
Hey Jim
The upper hull was made up from Tamiya's m3 and M5. The lover is from the M5, but lengthened .
Wolf
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 06:53 PM UTC
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Quoted TextVery neat looking tank there! I bet they wish they had one as well! What base Stuart kit did you use?
Hey Jim
The upper hull was made up from Tamiya's m3 and M5. The lover is from the M5, but lengthened .
Wolf
Hi Wolf! Thanks for the info. I had a less than gratifying experience with an old Tamiya M5 Stuart recently with the hulls not fitting together at the front and the tracks not fitting too well under the side skirts. I would like to build this tank but I don't want to go the Tamiya route again I don't think. Where did you get your lengthening instructions from or did you figure it out on your own? I have a copy of Modeling the M3 and M5 and according to it Tamiya missed the mark on about everything in terms of even remote accuracy. It appears to be quite a job to get everything right. If you bought everything to make it correct in terms of conversions it becomes an expensive little project. It's such a neat little tank though and makes a good contrasting display to many of the German tanks which dwarf the thing. It shed some light on how brave the crews were.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 01:01 AM UTC
Imagine that turret on a Bradley?!?!?! I've now got a new idea for a 'What If' Bradley!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 06:20 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextVery neat looking tank there! I bet they wish they had one as well! What base Stuart kit did you use?
Hey Jim
The upper hull was made up from Tamiya's m3 and M5. The lover is from the M5, but lengthened .
Wolf
Hi Wolf! Thanks for the info. I had a less than gratifying experience with an old Tamiya M5 Stuart recently with the hulls not fitting together at the front and the tracks not fitting too well under the side skirts. I would like to build this tank but I don't want to go the Tamiya route again I don't think. Where did you get your lengthening instructions from or did you figure it out on your own? I have a copy of Modeling the M3 and M5 and according to it Tamiya missed the mark on about everything in terms of even remote accuracy. It appears to be quite a job to get everything right. If you bought everything to make it correct in terms of conversions it becomes an expensive little project. It's such a neat little tank though and makes a good contrasting display to many of the German tanks which dwarf the thing. It shed some light on how brave the crews were.
Hey Jim
The info I have is from and old Jane’s Recognition Handbook. As for the dimensions and I guestamated the rest. With the pictures I have from the book and using the suspension parts from M4 Tractor, and knowing that the Tamiya M3 is to small the rest is history.
The real X1A used the a modified M3A3 upper and lower hull. The turret ring is so much larger than the M3. The turret covers the Driver and Radio Operators Hatches.
Here are some pictures from the book I have.
Wolf
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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 09:10 PM UTC
Interesting build. I too remember The Haunted Tank from DC comics. Thanks for reminding me of that tank and the comic!
Cheers!
Cheers!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:45 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextVery neat looking tank there! I bet they wish they had one as well! What base Stuart kit did you use?
Hey Jim
The upper hull was made up from Tamiya's m3 and M5. The lover is from the M5, but lengthened .
Wolf
Hi Wolf! Thanks for the info. I had a less than gratifying experience with an old Tamiya M5 Stuart recently with the hulls not fitting together at the front and the tracks not fitting too well under the side skirts. I would like to build this tank but I don't want to go the Tamiya route again I don't think.
Remember that the Tamiya dates from the early 1970's and was designed to be motorized so the hull dimensions are off in order to fit the motor and batteries. AFV Club have their M5A1 Early model due out this year.
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 12:11 AM UTC
Once again, thanks for thi info, Wolf. So, with such a big turret what did they do to allow entry and exit for the drive? Was all that done stractly through the turret hatches? Or did they have to rotate the turrtr to a different position to clear the fron entry? I'm not familiar off the top of my head concerning interiors, but I know some vehicles were pretty cluttered inside so all positions may not have been accessible.
Fitz: Thanks for the heads up on the AFV Club kit coming out. I was so bummed with the Tamiya kit because the paint came out so well, I had bought a corrected resin mantlet and aluminum barrel, an antenna from Formations, and the tracks finished up nicely. I had dry fit everything before hand and it looked like all would go together so well.
Surprise! Surprise! It was not to be!
Besides the gap in the hull, the tracks rubbed the side skirts hard enough that one split at the glue seam. I don't think a motor could have turned them at all. I may revisit it down the road, but for now it's just put away in the salvage box.
Fitz: Thanks for the heads up on the AFV Club kit coming out. I was so bummed with the Tamiya kit because the paint came out so well, I had bought a corrected resin mantlet and aluminum barrel, an antenna from Formations, and the tracks finished up nicely. I had dry fit everything before hand and it looked like all would go together so well.
Surprise! Surprise! It was not to be!
Besides the gap in the hull, the tracks rubbed the side skirts hard enough that one split at the glue seam. I don't think a motor could have turned them at all. I may revisit it down the road, but for now it's just put away in the salvage box.
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 03:38 AM UTC
one day Im gonna model the tank from the movie"Tank Girl"..I swear it ...everyone needs a pink tank with swirls in their collection..lol
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 07:11 AM UTC
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one day Im gonna model the tank from the movie"Tank Girl"..I swear it ...everyone needs a pink tank with swirls in their collection..lol
I have joked about making a gloss black Tiger I with a white/orange/red 50s style flame job and chrome roadwheels!
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 07:36 AM UTC
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one day Im gonna model the tank from the movie"Tank Girl"..I swear it ...everyone needs a pink tank with swirls in their collection..lol
So long as you don't forget the charcoal BBQ and the pintle-mounted bow and arrow.
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 02:25 PM UTC
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Once again, thanks for thi info, Wolf. So, with such a big turret what did they do to allow entry and exit for the drive? Was all that done stractly through the turret hatches? Or did they have to rotate the turrtr to a different position to clear the fron entry? I'm not familiar off the top of my head concerning interiors, but I know some vehicles were pretty cluttered inside so all positions may not have been accessible.
Fitz: Thanks for the heads up on the AFV Club kit coming out. I was so bummed with the Tamiya kit because the paint came out so well, I had bought a corrected resin mantlet and aluminum barrel, an antenna from Formations, and the tracks finished up nicely. I had dry fit everything before hand and it looked like all would go together so well.
Surprise! Surprise! It was not to be!
Besides the gap in the hull, the tracks rubbed the side skirts hard enough that one split at the glue seam. I don't think a motor could have turned them at all. I may revisit it down the road, but for now it's just put away in the salvage box.
Hey Jin
look at the pictures I supplied, The only way I see they can get in and out is through the front glacis plate hatches . One other thing you have to change is the track. This baby uses Sherman track, not Stuart.
Wolf
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 02:48 PM UTC
Wolf,
Great idea- I thought I was the first to do one. But I was wrong I did this one on the mid to late 90's as a joke. Oddly enough it is the model that people remember.
For what its worth- yours is far more practical. Are these current shots? Are you going to finish it?
Nice work. I like it!
Great idea- I thought I was the first to do one. But I was wrong I did this one on the mid to late 90's as a joke. Oddly enough it is the model that people remember.
For what its worth- yours is far more practical. Are these current shots? Are you going to finish it?
Nice work. I like it!