I’ve located a handful of pictures via google searches etc – but most are fairly blurry.
Does anyone have or know where I can find some good references for M-41’s in ARVN service?
Thanks in advance,
Noah
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Images of ARVN M-41’s?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 05:29 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 05:49 AM UTC
Are you just looking specifically for M41's or what?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 05:57 AM UTC
Yes, I’m mostly looking for ARVN Bulldogs – but pictures of other ARVN vehicles would be very welcomed too.
Take care,
Noah
Take care,
Noah
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 06:05 AM UTC
Give me a shout if you need anymoe ive got a couple of books on Armour in Vietnam
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 06:13 AM UTC
[imghttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_pzUfC9UDzLY/STBRWSZrSUI/AAAAAAAAaBk/47QBUBtG4XI/s912/M-41%20Walker%20Bulldog%2025.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 06:14 AM UTC
Hope they help
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Heya. James,
Cool pix! Is it just me or does that look like an American manning the .50 caliber in the TC's cupola in that one picture...? Wonder if he was just taking it out for a test drive?
Lots of great stowage in that photo, too.
Have a good one!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
Cool pix! Is it just me or does that look like an American manning the .50 caliber in the TC's cupola in that one picture...? Wonder if he was just taking it out for a test drive?
Lots of great stowage in that photo, too.
Have a good one!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 06:28 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Heya. James,
Cool pix! Is it just me or does that look like an American manning the .50 caliber in the TC's cupola in that one picture...? Wonder if he was just taking it out for a test drive?
Lots of great stowage in that photo, too.
Have a good one!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
That's because it appears to be a pic from the movie "Full Metal Jacket".
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 06:32 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Heya. James,
Cool pix! Is it just me or does that look like an American manning the .50 caliber in the TC's cupola in that one picture...? Wonder if he was just taking it out for a test drive?
Lots of great stowage in that photo, too.
Have a good one!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
Johnny its a screen shot from Full metal jacket,
The U.S did test them but they never used them in combat they were given to the ARVN
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Quoted TextThe U.S did test them but they never used them in combat they were given to the ARVN
It was a U.S. tank. They never "tested" them in Vietnam. By the time of the Vietnam war, they were out of the U.S. inventory are were being given to diffent users under the MAP program.
I never said they were tested in VIETNAM.
C[ ]
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 07:08 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextThe U.S did test them but they never used them in combat they were given to the ARVN
It was a U.S. tank. They never "tested" them in Vietnam. By the time of the Vietnam war, they were out of the U.S. inventory are were being given to diffent users under the MAP program.
I never said they were tested in VIETNAM.
C[ ]
Right, but they weren't just tested by the U.S. They were the standard light/recon tank in the U.S.Army from late 1952 until the mid-60's when the were replaced by the M551 Sheridan. They stayed in National Guard units into the late 60's and early 70's. So as you can see, they were more than just "tested".
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 07:16 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextQuoted TextThe U.S did test them but they never used them in combat they were given to the ARVN
It was a U.S. tank. They never "tested" them in Vietnam. By the time of the Vietnam war, they were out of the U.S. inventory are were being given to diffent users under the MAP program.
I never said they were tested in VIETNAM.
C[ ]
Right, but they weren't just tested by the U.S. They were the standard light/recon tank in the U.S.Army from late 1952 until the mid-60's when the were replaced by the M551 Sheridan. They stayed in National Guard units into the late 60's and early 70's. So as you can see, they were more than just "tested".
Chris "toadman" Hughes
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Thanks Chris!
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Ah, the M-41!! Very dependable, easy to operate tank, they are probably still driving them in Vietnam. The M-48 series are also in that same category. A tough tank that was a joy to be on. In fact,IMHO, the only dog in the Vietnam era tanks was the M-551 Sheridan. The wrong vehicle for that war (and, just about any other conflict).
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Thanks, James! Ha! I thought those palm trees looked familiar...been a while since I've watched the film. Typical that the "wrong" tank was used to stand in for the M48 in a Hollywood film, but Stanley Kubrick being such a fanatic for realism, I was always a little surprised that he used M41s --- guess it was easier to find them than M48s for the shoot. Then again, he he did shoot London-for- Hue, so I guess he grabbed what tanks he could (easier to fly in palm trees from Spain than M48s from who knows where)? Right tanks, wrong army.
I've always enjoyed his films ("Dr. Strangelove" " Paths of Glory" "The Killing" "2001" etc.) but felt that the boot camp sequences of "FMJ" were much better than the combat scenes taking place in Hue. Dale Dye's autobiographical novel, "Run Between the Raindrops" would have made a much better Hue/Tet Offensive film in my opinion.
And we really have to have an ARVN tank and AFV crew in 35th scale!!!
Anyway, thanks again for the pix, James. Have a good one.
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
I've always enjoyed his films ("Dr. Strangelove" " Paths of Glory" "The Killing" "2001" etc.) but felt that the boot camp sequences of "FMJ" were much better than the combat scenes taking place in Hue. Dale Dye's autobiographical novel, "Run Between the Raindrops" would have made a much better Hue/Tet Offensive film in my opinion.
And we really have to have an ARVN tank and AFV crew in 35th scale!!!
Anyway, thanks again for the pix, James. Have a good one.
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 10:12 AM UTC
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Thanks, James! Ha! I thought those palm trees looked familiar...been a while since I've watched the film. Typical that the "wrong" tank was used to stand in for the M48 in a Hollywood film, but Stanley Kubrick being such a fanatic for realism, I was always a little surprised that he used M41s --- guess it was easier to find them than M48s for the shoot. Then again, he he did shoot London-for- Hue, so I guess he grabbed what tanks he could (easier to fly in palm trees from Spain than M48s from who knows where)? Right tanks, wrong army.
I've always enjoyed his films ("Dr. Strangelove" " Paths of Glory" "The Killing" "2001" etc.) but felt that the boot camp sequences of "FMJ" were much better than the combat scenes taking place in Hue. Dale Dye's autobiographical novel, "Run Between the Raindrops" would have made a much better Hue/Tet Offensive film in my opinion.
And we really have to have an ARVN tank and AFV crew in 35th scale!!!
Anyway, thanks again for the pix, James. Have a good one.
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
No worries the film has its moments lol also correct me if im wrong but im sure the tanker is using an early style helmet. Its an ok film the basic trainig builds up into nothing but still a good film
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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 07:58 AM UTC
Thanks everyone! those are some truely great photos!
Take care,
Noah
Take care,
Noah
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 07:17 AM UTC
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Heya. James,
Cool pix! Is it just me or does that look like an American manning the .50 caliber in the TC's cupola in that one picture...? Wonder if he was just taking it out for a test drive?
Lots of great stowage in that photo, too.
Have a good one!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
That might have been an American advisor attached to an ARVN unit, or it might not have been a Vietnamese unit but a Nung unit (pretty common). Nungs were bigger than Vietnamese as a rule, and have seen many that were taller than I am.
gary
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 07:42 AM UTC
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Ah, the M-41!! Very dependable, easy to operate tank, they are probably still driving them in Vietnam. The M-48 series are also in that same category. A tough tank that was a joy to be on. In fact,IMHO, the only dog in the Vietnam era tanks was the M-551 Sheridan. The wrong vehicle for that war (and, just about any other conflict).
The Sheridan had many flaws that had to be worked out while in use. The main one was the gun launcher system (it never was really completely fixed). The tank was built to have a very low ground pressure ratio. So most of it was made of aluminum (hull). The one good thing it had going for it was the use of styrofoam between the inner and outter hull faces (a better system than an ACAV). Still nothing was ever done to try and "uparmor" the tank, and of course it needed it. But if you look at a lot of CBL'd Sheridans you will see damage from mines as a rule. Still a spaced kevlar thatched armor on the sides would have been a big plus. The gun launcher was virtually un repairable, and when it malfuncntioned it was simply replaced. And the funny thing about this is that the manufacturer of the system had no idea that the system was failing in the field till mid 1974! (note it was usually a hydraulics problem).
What the Sheridan did have going for it was a six inch diameter "can" round! Let me say this again; "A six inch can round in spades!" Compaired to the 90mm can round out of a 48 and you don't have to think very long. It also was more capable of busting thru re-enforced bunker systems than the 90mm round unless the track was fairly close to the bunker (less than 200 yards). It wasn't a bad infantry support track if used properly.
gary
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Hi Adler !
There are some pics for you. Regards.
http://picasaweb.google.pl/zippo132/ARVNArmor?feat=directlink
There are some pics for you. Regards.
http://picasaweb.google.pl/zippo132/ARVNArmor?feat=directlink