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1-35 ancient warrior search
bigal07
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Posted: Friday, March 13, 2009 - 06:28 AM UTC
Hello, I have almost finished my 1-35 single diorama, and straight away I can see ancient warriors standing on the apex, perhaps even a gladiator or 2, the problem being, I want to build this stand in 1-35 and if I'd had picked 1-72 then I wouldn't be asking here, Ancient Britions would do greatly, Warriors in (fingers crossed) plastic would be better for me, or push the boat out, 1-35 resin. Look forward to your reply.
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Friday, March 13, 2009 - 06:50 AM UTC
You'll bve hard pressed to find these in 1/35. There are plenty in 54mm (approx.1/32) somewhat larger than what you're working with. Plastic...fugeddaboudit. Resin, slight possibility. Most of these figures will be in white metal. Go to The Red Lancer and do a search. For your ancient warrior, you'll need to be specific, e.g., celt, viking, Roman, etc.
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
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Posted: Friday, March 13, 2009 - 07:16 AM UTC
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Hello, I have almost finished my 1-35 single diorama, and straight away I can see ancient warriors standing on the apex, perhaps even a gladiator or 2, the problem being, I want to build this stand in 1-35 and if I'd had picked 1-72 then I wouldn't be asking here, Ancient Britions would do greatly, Warriors in (fingers crossed) plastic would be better for me, or push the boat out, 1-35 resin. Look forward to your reply.
Sorry ... what??
I don't mean to be rude, but if you explained a bit more clearly exactly what you mean, we might be able to help you more.
I interpret your basic question as being something along the lines of "what ancient figures are available in 1/35 scale?". To which the short answer would be (as Al rightly says) "very few indeed".
The only pre-20th Century 1/35 figures in plastic that spring immediately to mind are the two sets of Samurai warriors that Tamiya released way back in the '70s, so they're not exactly state of the art - but they still do appear occasionally on eBay.
But Romans / Britons? Nothing.
To give yourself wider options, your best bet is probably 54 mm.
- Steve
bigal07
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Posted: Friday, March 13, 2009 - 08:27 AM UTC
Hi Steve, ever since I saw that German guy's dio of Celtic warriors, I thought that is a good possiblity, and as I am building the base for my single dio, due to the death mask appearence it has, I feel that it would look far better with an ancient Brition, I began a search and basically found nothing that I required, however there were a ton of poor designed 1-32 armies in plastic figures. The type I am searching for are either of the following - Gaul, Celtic, Templar knights, ancient Britions, obviously I know there are figures out there as the chap I wrote above found them, although that was several years ago and they no longer exist, so back to square one, if you have any ideas on the above, I would love to hear from you.
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Friday, March 13, 2009 - 08:43 AM UTC
Again, I refer you to The Red Lancer in my previous post. They have a very good search function, just insert, "gallic," "celt," "Templar," "Hospitalier" or "teutonic" in the search feature and you'll find dozens of 54mm figures in all kinds of poses. Giving you more specific info would be easier with a picture or description of what you mean by "single diorama"
bigal07
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Posted: Friday, March 13, 2009 - 08:58 AM UTC
Hi Al, thanks for the info, although I already scanned through this info before answering, there isn't an awful lot that appropriate for my use, The Red Lancers again, not a great deal in the area I am searching, the scale was 1-35, and as Steve and yourself will no doubt agree, I'll more than likely have to go for solid plastic 1-32 for which there are many ancient warrior figures for sale. But thanks anyway.
bigal07
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Posted: Friday, March 13, 2009 - 09:08 AM UTC
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3593/3352413658_8bc905a4f7.jpg
Hello, the above is not what I want, and certainly not my idea of miniature scale figures.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3424/3352413666_fd0b555de4.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3352413660_efd3f04b09.jpg
And these fantastic figures by someone I do not know, is my idea of scale figures, and there must be someone somewhere selling these things, I guess I'll have a lot of searching ahead of me.
Hello, the above is not what I want, and certainly not my idea of miniature scale figures.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3424/3352413666_fd0b555de4.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3352413660_efd3f04b09.jpg
And these fantastic figures by someone I do not know, is my idea of scale figures, and there must be someone somewhere selling these things, I guess I'll have a lot of searching ahead of me.
Tarok
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:48 AM UTC
Alec,
You stated in another forum that you were dissappointed by the response to the above question.
May I make a suggestion: to elicit more response to figure topics, please post in either the Armorama figure discussion group, or on Historicus Forma, the Kitmaker Network's specialist figure site, and not the diorama forum. Unfortunately people don't expect to find figure questions here, so your questions may be missed.
Now with regards to your question/s, I'm going to give you an answer in a round about way:
Firstly, it's highly unlikely you will find the figure subjects in either plastic or 1/35 scale. In fact if you do, I'll be highly surprised.
If you find it in plastic, it's most likely to be a toy soldier (as shown in one of your pictures). Specialist figures such as these are produced in resin or white metal. Now (don't take this next comment personally), you recently purchased a top of the range resin figure, and IIRC felt it wasn't worth the money. The thing to remember when buying resin and white metal figures is that these figures are 1) specialist, 2) produced in far lower volumes, and thus at a higher price, and 3) not designed using a CAD tool, but sculpted by a person, who charges for the master copy. Bottom line, it's going to cost you when comparing against 1/35 scale plastic figure sets.
Also, these historical figures are produced in sizes, as opposed to scales. The sizes being such as 54mm, 60mm, 75mm, 90mm, 120mm. This means that regardless of the "real" size, the figure measures 54mm (for example) in size. Scale means that the persons real height is reproduced in scale (for example a 6' tall person measures about 50mm in 1/35 scale).
Now about scale, the early scales that were used were 1/32, 1/48 etc. Scales that are still used by aircraft modellers. Somewhere along the line, 1/35 scale was introduced to military modelling and replaced 1/32. Now many people will tell you that 1/32 is the same as 54mm. Well, that's not entirely true - recall I said above that 54mm is a size? There's a difference between size and scale. In 1/32 scale a 6' person does indeed measure about 54mm, but in 54mm size, so does a 5'8" person. Does that make sense? No? Confused? Join the club - it's not always an easy concept to get one's head around.
So, the reason you may not have found anything on the The Red Lancer site is because firstly you were searching 1/32, when you should have been searching 54mm, and secondly you were looking for something that isn't produced (to a high quality) in plastic. I merely entered the word "Celt" into their search engine and it returned at least 49 entries, albeit of varying sized products.
BTW, the 3 antient figures you displayed are all (IIRC) produced by Pegaso Models. Definitely a premier brand when it comes to historical miniatures. You're going to be paying in the region of € 25 per 54mm figure.
HTH
Rudi
You stated in another forum that you were dissappointed by the response to the above question.
May I make a suggestion: to elicit more response to figure topics, please post in either the Armorama figure discussion group, or on Historicus Forma, the Kitmaker Network's specialist figure site, and not the diorama forum. Unfortunately people don't expect to find figure questions here, so your questions may be missed.
Now with regards to your question/s, I'm going to give you an answer in a round about way:
Firstly, it's highly unlikely you will find the figure subjects in either plastic or 1/35 scale. In fact if you do, I'll be highly surprised.
If you find it in plastic, it's most likely to be a toy soldier (as shown in one of your pictures). Specialist figures such as these are produced in resin or white metal. Now (don't take this next comment personally), you recently purchased a top of the range resin figure, and IIRC felt it wasn't worth the money. The thing to remember when buying resin and white metal figures is that these figures are 1) specialist, 2) produced in far lower volumes, and thus at a higher price, and 3) not designed using a CAD tool, but sculpted by a person, who charges for the master copy. Bottom line, it's going to cost you when comparing against 1/35 scale plastic figure sets.
Also, these historical figures are produced in sizes, as opposed to scales. The sizes being such as 54mm, 60mm, 75mm, 90mm, 120mm. This means that regardless of the "real" size, the figure measures 54mm (for example) in size. Scale means that the persons real height is reproduced in scale (for example a 6' tall person measures about 50mm in 1/35 scale).
Now about scale, the early scales that were used were 1/32, 1/48 etc. Scales that are still used by aircraft modellers. Somewhere along the line, 1/35 scale was introduced to military modelling and replaced 1/32. Now many people will tell you that 1/32 is the same as 54mm. Well, that's not entirely true - recall I said above that 54mm is a size? There's a difference between size and scale. In 1/32 scale a 6' person does indeed measure about 54mm, but in 54mm size, so does a 5'8" person. Does that make sense? No? Confused? Join the club - it's not always an easy concept to get one's head around.
So, the reason you may not have found anything on the The Red Lancer site is because firstly you were searching 1/32, when you should have been searching 54mm, and secondly you were looking for something that isn't produced (to a high quality) in plastic. I merely entered the word "Celt" into their search engine and it returned at least 49 entries, albeit of varying sized products.
BTW, the 3 antient figures you displayed are all (IIRC) produced by Pegaso Models. Definitely a premier brand when it comes to historical miniatures. You're going to be paying in the region of € 25 per 54mm figure.
HTH
Rudi
bigal07
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 04:57 AM UTC
Hi Rudi, please don't think for a moment I am making excuses when I say, me and computers simply don't get on, and using a computer isn't something I do, people assume that because someone has a computer, they can use it, work on it, search for anything, and when they say they can't find something - they're just be lazy - when I first came to this site, I actually wrote how large it is, and finding my way around wasn't easy. I asked about these ancient figures on this beginners section because I honestly don't know where-else to leave the message, and when I stumbled across Pegaso models web-site I thought wow these are what I am looking for until I saw the prices, after reading your message, I can now almost understand where I keep going wrong. Thank you.