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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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M41 or what.
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:35 AM UTC
Hi
can anybody identify this for me.
I think it's an M41 Walker Bulldog but the caption say's that it was taken in Germany January 1st 1945.
It can be found on the Life site.

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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:37 AM UTC
Shaun i cannot see your photo

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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:47 AM UTC
Hi Jaymes
That's funny as when I bring this page up the pic's already showing.
lets see try this link.
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/3224462.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=27D044C0A019FA6C31E20E6B6440673BF06BF04B24B4128C
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:52 AM UTC
its declined me, i need to log in to see it

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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 10:23 AM UTC
Definitely an M41, but the M41 didn't enter service until 1951. My theory is that its either a typo (1 Jan 1954) or the German on the building and the M1 rifles confused who ever captioned the picture.

On the picture, I could view it by clicking on that link and then clicking on the url bar in my browser and hitting enter.
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 11:02 AM UTC

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It is very possible that the M41 Bulldog was used in WW2 by the Germans around the time of the Bulge and beyond. This is accurately depicted along with Patton tanks in the many fine Hollywood movies of the 1960s and 70s.


i think thats completley odd, the m41s were produced many years after world war two and the holly wood movies have nothing to do with this. the m41 was used to replace the m24 chafee and the m24 was supplied to some units during the bulge but not in significant numbers. so how the m41 comes in during the bulge before the m24 does not make sense. its just like the egg came before the chicken.
EDIT: maybe a training excercise in germany? because U.S troops were stationed there to now.
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 11:26 AM UTC

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It is very possible that the M41 Bulldog was used in WW2 by the Germans around the time of the Bulge and beyond. This is accurately depicted along with Patton tanks in the many fine Hollywood movies of the 1960s and 70s.


i think thats completley odd, the m41s were produced many years after world war two and the holly wood movies have nothing to do with this. the m41 was used to replace the m24 chafee and the m24 was supplied to some units during the bulge but not in significant numbers. so how the m41 comes in during the bulge before the m24 does not make sense. its just like the egg came before the chicken.
EDIT: maybe a training excercise in germany? because U.S troops were stationed there to now.



Calvin, he's kidding. The reference to "accurate depicted...Hollywood movies" is the giveaway.
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 12:06 PM UTC
Oh thanks for pointing that out. im not the humorous type of person
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 12:35 PM UTC
Most reference books get the in service dates for tanks all wrong. For example, the Japanese Type 90 MBT was used as early as the mid 14th Century.



Color photography was invented in Japan about the same time.

Maybe the M41s are part of a Time Force detachment hunting aliens? The Germans did have access to alien technology. Did Godzilla ever make it to Europe?

-Doug
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 07:46 PM UTC
I think that a post-war exercise somewhere in Germany is the most likely explanation, with an obvious typo on the date (i.e. should probably read 1954, not 1945).

After all, the buildings and roads don't look damaged. There are even nice, tidy window boxes of flowers at top right (the Germans do love their window boxes), not to mention an unconcerned-looking civilian leaning out of the window watching the goings-on - none of which points to this being a battleground.

- Steve
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 12:48 AM UTC
Hi
Thanks for the reply's.
I thought I was right that it was the M41.
Yeh it was the time frame that they were claiming for the pic that threw me.
I think that your right saying that it's probably from an army exercise from the mid 50's.
As you say the people hanging out the window & the kid's under the tree look just a little too relaxed for there to be any real sense of danger
Thanks Guy's
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 01:26 AM UTC
What a funny thread! neinmonia ... you're a riot!
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 02:09 AM UTC
The tank also has wooden chock blocks on the front slope. That's more of a peacetime army safety requirement than a wartime item. Notice four of them, one for front and back for each side, to keep the tank from rolling onto troops in the motor pool if someone happens to forget to apply the brakes or if it accidentily is started and slips into gear.
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 02:12 AM UTC
The pic is very reminiscent of the Tamiya boxtop artwork, no?

Another clue to its post 1945: note the African American soldier in the mix: integration didn't occur until 1948 by Truman's Executive Order
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 06:26 AM UTC
The Ma Deuce has the conical flash suppressor in place. Does anyone know when that was first used?
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 07:07 AM UTC

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The Ma Deuce has the conical flash suppressor in place. Does anyone know when that was first used?



I have a M41 TM from 1954 that shows it.

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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 11:55 AM UTC

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The tank also has wooden chock blocks on the front slope. That's more of a peacetime army safety requirement than a wartime item. Notice four of them, one for front and back for each side, to keep the tank from rolling onto troops in the motor pool if someone happens to forget to apply the brakes or if it accidentily is started and slips into gear.



The wooden chock blocks and cable tie downs on the front hooks are for rail loading. The unit was probably transported to the manuver area by train and will return the same way.

We used to keep that stuff in our motor pool conex. Once the tank is in place on the car its chocked and the chocks are nailed to the car deck. Then the tank is tied down with the cables. The rail road inspectors were very tough about properly securing your tank.

Also the M1 was the primary service rifle of the US Army until the early 60s. M-14 production was slow to replace them.

Tom
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