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bradley ambulance
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 03:05 PM UTC
This was supposed to be for the "what if" campaign but I got to planning it out and couldn't resist starting. Here she is just about finished up. I want to add a big whip antenna and paint the tracks a bit, but other than that, I think it's done.

After I got the basics done someone pointed me toward an actual prototype of one of these. Anyone know if they ever got past that stage? Here's a pic of one.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86195











Comments and critique are welcome.

John
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 03:16 PM UTC
Although she's a nice bit of work, as a former Bradley crewmwmber I can assure no ambulance version of the Bradley series was ever put into active service. Heavy armor and Mechanized Divisions were equiped with the M113A3 Ambulance instead.
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 - 05:01 PM UTC
Interesting idea and build though. Any WIP? How did you make the top area?





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Posted: Saturday, April 18, 2009 - 01:05 PM UTC
Not great WIP pics, but these are all I took. The top was constructed just by cutting out the top hatchs from the turret and then flushing them with one of those "for sale" signs from walmart. Originally it had what I think was the laser range finder (the box with the shades around it).

There's a bit of warping just in front of the hatchs that you can't really see in the pictures. I'm going to cover that up with a map and some of the crews' gear (rifle, canteen, binoculars).

The markings are from the spares box with the red crosses just masked and painted (they're a little off kilter, but it's convincing enough to me).









John
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Posted: Saturday, April 18, 2009 - 02:02 PM UTC
I have a spare PE bradley side stowage bin that you could have instead of the abrams stowage rack on the side (it would look a little more convincing)
Send me a PM i would give it to you for free
Evan
Heres the instruction sheet from eduard:
http://www.eduard.cz/products/pdf/n36/36004.pdf
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 10:03 AM UTC
Hi mate,nice what-if vehicle.Never mind the negative comments,i occaisionaly stray from the pure faith coz it`s MY kit and i want do something different.One of my favourite creations is a Challenger 2 hull married to parts from a Bergepanther - BergeChallenger !,i got the idea from seeing a picture of turretless Sherman recovery vehicle and everyone who`s seen it thinks it looks pretty good.
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 10:11 AM UTC
I agree, and thanks for the additional photos and explanation.





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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 01:04 PM UTC
Not negative comments but some thoughts:

1. Here is a shot of the real proposed Bradley ambulance:



2. Since you have a "cut down" version of the ambulance, it would probably be like the soft top ambulance version of the HMMWV...

IIRC the soft top version held either two stretchers, one stretcher and two sitting, or 4 sitting in the rear compartment. Again, not a criticism, but that guy in the top stretcher is going to be bouncing off the roof over cross country terrain.

But do not let any of this make you feel bad. You have done a very good job thinking outside the box on this. I only point this out because I had to serve near Medics, so I got to know their vehicles well.
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 03:42 PM UTC

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Again, not a criticism, but that guy in the top stretcher is going to be bouncing off the roof over cross country terrain.

But do not let any of this make you feel bad. You have done a very good job thinking outside the box on this. I only point this out because I had to serve near Medics, so I got to know their vehicles well.



So that's why they raised the roof on those. I thought it might have been for extra equipment to be stored overhead or something. I chuckled a little thinking of that poor guy on the top stretcher. Maybe I'll add some straps to hold him down.

What's the actual status of the bradley ambulance? As far as I can find there is just info about the prototype from a year or so ago. Is there any chance of these going into production or did the program get shelved?

Thanks for the input,
John
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 05:10 PM UTC
Back in the 1990's everything was going to be placed on a Bradley or Abrams chassis and they had a whole bunch of variants for the vehicles, some of which you may have seen, like the Abrams based Wolverine CEV. The Bradley variants that made it were the B-FIST and Linebacker ADA. MANY others were planned, but none proceeded beyond one-offs or mockups.

Hunnicutts book on the Bradley is a good one to look through if you want to see all the propositions. I have not heard that the Bradley ambulance was going tobe produced, but since the plans are around and the Bradley will still be around for a while, you never know...
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 05:35 PM UTC
I second what Jacques said. Also, the Linebacker has now been abandoned and all M6 Linebackers were converted back to standard Bradleys. I haven't heard of the ambulance version going forward either.
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 05:51 PM UTC

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I second what Jacques said. Also, the Linebacker has now been abandoned and all M6 Linebackers were converted back to standard Bradleys. I haven't heard of the ambulance version going forward either.



Ah shoot...that just ruined my evening HeavyArty. I'm planning on trying to branch ADA, and I thought that the M6s would be a cool system to work with; not useful in the COE, but still cool. Avengers and Patriots are neat and all that; but having just seems that much better.

Just a question, do these one-off prototypes belong to the Army or to the contractors? It seems that if they belong to the army they'll end up as displays on a post somewhere, like the random XM prototype vehicles scattered around Ft. Knox.
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 01:28 AM UTC

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Just a question, do these one-off prototypes belong to the Army or to the contractors? It seems that if they belong to the army they'll end up as displays on a post somewhere, like the random XM prototype vehicles scattered around Ft. Knox.



It depends. If the prototype was ordered by the Army and an existing Army piece of equipment was used, then it is the Army's. For example, if they asked BAE to make a Bradley Ambulance out of one of the existing Bradleys.

If the Army asked companies to submit prototypes for some new requirement, for example, produce a new armored ambulance that does X, Y and Z, then the companies that make the prototypes usually own the final product hoping that the Army will select their design.
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 05:26 AM UTC

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Just a question, do these one-off prototypes belong to the Army or to the contractors? It seems that if they belong to the army they'll end up as displays on a post somewhere, like the random XM prototype vehicles scattered around Ft. Knox.



It depends. If the prototype was ordered by the Army and an existing Army piece of equipment was used, then it is the Army's. For example, if they asked BAE to make a Bradley Ambulance out of one of the existing Bradleys.

If the Army asked companies to submit prototypes for some new requirement, for example, produce a new armored ambulance that does X, Y and Z, then the companies that make the prototypes usually own the final product hoping that the Army will select their design.



I thought that 4ID had some Brad Ambulances like the pictuure above. Perhaps just a few test bed vehicles, to treplace the M113A3s and M577A2s that made up the mech medic platoons... Hmmm, wonder where they went???

Regardless, nice attempt at building one...

John
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Posted: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 01:39 PM UTC

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What's the actual status of the bradley ambulance? As far as I can find there is just info about the prototype from a year or so ago. Is there any chance of these going into production or did the program get shelved?



I'd venture to guess that its a matter of costs and needs. Bradley's have to cost more than refurbing a M113. Since the Bradley has better armor and armament, to use the term loosely, its a "frontline" vehicle. The M113 is serving in more of a support role, though I'm sure there are situations where a Bradley ambulance would be better than a M113. I suspect the planners don't feel its that common. Besides, the Stryker appears to be geared towards an ambulance version.

Just like the demands for a recovery vehicle based on the M1 don't justify the costs when the M88 upgrades will do the job (supposedly). Everything I've read indicates the M60 AVLB isn't able to keep up well enough these days. And I'd leave it to the experts to say whether the latest generation M88 can really do the job as well as it should. But for now they appear to be enough to get by.

Not to be political, but I sure don't expect any big defense expenditures in the near future.
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