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Tamiya's DISAPPOINTING German Infantry (FC)
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Posted: Saturday, April 18, 2009 - 12:35 PM UTC
When Tamiya announced they were bringing out new tools of an old favourite of mine I was quite excited. I'm talking about the GERMAN ARMY INFANTRY set which was one of their first 1/35 military miniature figure sets, now of course redone as the GERMAN INFANTRY SET (FRENCH CAMPAIGN).

I don't know what anyone else thinks of them. The Rifleman A, B and Machine gunner are ok but what happened with the Noncomissioned Officer? The sculpting isn't very good and I don't know if it's me but his legs look too long.
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 10:49 AM UTC
You are not the only one who thinks that way. In my experience, tamiya WWII german figures are really bad. Except for one or two exceptions, I tend to avoid to buy them, except when planning some odd conversion.

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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 08:50 AM UTC

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You are not the only one who thinks that way. In my experience, tamiya WWII german figures are really bad. Except for one or two exceptions, I tend to avoid to buy them, except when planning some odd conversion.

Cheers




Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks that. I'm amazed that a company like Tamiya can greenlight such mediocre figures, especially considering these are new versions of one of their most well known figure sets. Just about every Tamiya fanatic knows the original German Army Infantry set and yet they decide to produce these new versions of them which aren't really up to modern standards.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 09:15 AM UTC
pictures possibly?
Removed by original poster on 04/22/09 - 20:19:58 (GMT).
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 09:21 AM UTC


Compared to other manufacturers pretty wooden and basic in their animation.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 11:53 AM UTC
Remember retooling simply means they give the moulds once-over - sharpen the details I guess. It doesn't mean redevelop the figures. If they were wooden and poorly sculpted 30 years ago, they'll still be wooden and poorly sculpted today - albeit differently packaged. Exactly the same applied to DML's repackaged Premium range - although in DML's case they throw in a few extras to make one feel better
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 12:07 PM UTC

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Compared to other manufacturers pretty wooden and basic in their animation.




I mean look at that top middle figure (the NC officer) he looks terrible. His shoulders look too hunched and unnatural, and his legs and waste look stretched. I wish Tamiya would ditch these sculpts and give us some newly tooled ones instead seeing as these are important figures for Tamiya.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 12:08 PM UTC
Hi Rudi

No I don't think these are a retooling of the old figures in the sense you've described, just a new set of figures based on the old ones as shown here, bear in mind these are undersized as well. I don't know how the new set compares in size.



Alan
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 12:09 PM UTC

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Remember retooling simply means they give the moulds once-over - sharpen the details I guess. It doesn't mean redevelop the figures.



No, for this one I'm pretty sure it'd have to be more than sharpening details. Look at the sprue shots on Luckymodel of the old set, then look at Tamiya's ad for it on their site. Tamiya advertises them as multipose, something that you could not do without a lot of redoing. Maybe the new set is resculpted in the same poses as the old one? I don't own either of these sets(I try not to for all tamiya figures ), but I think that it's certainly a lot more than sharpening.

SCOTT

EDIT: Crap! Simultaneous post!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 12:15 PM UTC
Hi lads,

My bad - I reacted to the wording of the original post. My interpretation was that Tamiya have retooled and reboxed an old set

My bad.

Rudi
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 12:28 PM UTC
Dave

To be honest I don't think the new figures are that bad. Okay not great and certainly not up to Dragon Gen 2 standards but I can't see a problem with proportions. Poses, well a bit obvious, almost staged, lacking anything like the animation we get with Miniart, Masterbox and Dragon.

What does strike me are the helmets, really look bad in my opinion. Swap out the heads with some of Roger Saunders beauties would solve that.

I brought one of the two figure sets they produce of the Panzer officer and walking German Soldier and they are well done, so they can do it.



and they do this set which is also 1/35.



Alan
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 08:53 PM UTC

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Dave

To be honest I don't think the new figures are that bad. Okay not great and certainly not up to Dragon Gen 2 standards but I can't see a problem with proportions. Poses, well a bit obvious, almost staged, lacking anything like the animation we get with Miniart, Masterbox and Dragon.

What does strike me are the helmets, really look bad in my opinion. Swap out the heads with some of Roger Saunders beauties would solve that.

I brought one of the two figure sets they produce of the Panzer officer and walking German Soldier and they are well done, so they can do it.



and they do this set which is also 1/35.



Alan



True, but aren't these 2 packs just as expensive as resin?
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 08:58 PM UTC
i thionk my lhs has them for arounf Ģ4
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 09:59 PM UTC
As I am not really familiar with all the different types of helmets produced I can only say they look a bit strange. I canīt really add much more to what has already been said except in reference to Alans observation of the animation;if I need an N.C.O. with a schmeisser & a severe case of haemorroids ,I now know where I can find one !!!
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009 - 12:12 PM UTC
I think maybe the helmets are supposed to be the earlier model. The one we know most was introduced a couple of years before the war kicked off but the older version with the bigger brim with amore pronounced flare stayed in use and it would make sense when making a set aimed at a 1940 setting to give them the old lids to help make them look early.

Either way I have the set and don't really find them that bad other than the poses are a bit stiff and the faces are a bit bland ( I also find the Tamiya hands are always a bit stumpy - short fingers, thick wrists ).

Hieghtwise they're good other than having no variation, at 51mm that works out to around 5 foot 10 inches which was a good average male hieght at that point in time.

Pricewise here the new ones are closer to Dragon Gen 2 so given the choice I'd get the dragon ones. We don't have a huge choice here, no one does Masterbox, Miniart or any of the resin ones here so we're pretty much limited to Tamiya and Dragon, a few Academy, ICM and Zveda and that's about it.

I like the old Tamiya ones for spares as a box of 8 can be picked up for as little as $5 USD compared to a set of four Dragon Gen 2 for around $14+ USD.
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009 - 12:45 PM UTC

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I think maybe the helmets are supposed to be the earlier model. The one we know most was introduced a couple of years before the war kicked off but the older version with the bigger brim with amore pronounced flare stayed in use and it would make sense when making a set aimed at a 1940 setting to give them the old lids to help make them look early.



M1935

M1940

M1942

The shape on these three looks the same to me.

SCOTT
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009 - 12:53 PM UTC

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I think maybe the helmets are supposed to be the earlier model. The one we know most was introduced a couple of years before the war kicked off but the older version with the bigger brim with amore pronounced flare stayed in use and it would make sense when making a set aimed at a 1940 setting to give them the old lids to help make them look early.



M1935

M1940

M1942

The shape on these three looks the same to me.

SCOTT



check the transitional helmet link on the same page as these.
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009 - 04:01 PM UTC
The earliest one you have there is the M1935 which is the one I'm talking about that came in a few years before the war started, the earlier model is the M1918 and can usually be seen in 1930s rally photos. It's easy to distinguish as the flare at the bottom is much more pronounced and starts further up around the ear.

Considering in the past Tamiya has had no problem fitting their figures with the 40 I can't see why they'd accidentally make these look like the older model so I'm assuming it's deliberate. There's plenty of photos of Whermacht troops still wearing the 16/18 even during the outset of Barbarosa.
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009 - 04:59 PM UTC
I was feeling a bit nostalgic for my early days of building and picked up a set of the new figures.
For Tamiya, as a homage to their first figure set, they're actually not too bad.
While they'll never be mistaken for anything put out by Dragon, MiniArt, Master Box, ICM and any number of other plastic manufacturers, they're certainly better than most of Tamiya's figure sets.
With regard to the helmets, IMO, they resemble the early types used in the 1930's.
IIRC, Tamiya's original set, #MM01 or #3501, came with a number of spare helmets that looked very much like those worn by German troops late in the First World War, by the Freikorps during the Wiemar Republic and any number of other units supplied by the Germans.
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Posted: Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 08:01 AM UTC
i am pretty sure this the 1918 model helmet but Tamiya has really soft details - there should be additional rivets for the armoured shield that was supposed to be attached.
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Posted: Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 08:39 AM UTC

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Dave

To be honest I don't think the new figures are that bad. Okay not great and certainly not up to Dragon Gen 2 standards but I can't see a problem with proportions. Poses, well a bit obvious, almost staged, lacking anything like the animation we get with Miniart, Masterbox and Dragon.

What does strike me are the helmets, really look bad in my opinion. Swap out the heads with some of Roger Saunders beauties would solve that.

I brought one of the two figure sets they produce of the Panzer officer and walking German Soldier and they are well done, so they can do it.



and they do this set which is also 1/35.



Alan





The only problem I really have with the helmets is that they're a bit flimsy. When I was applying the helmet to the NC officer it didn't take much pressure for the front side of the helmet to collapse. In fact it's mainly the NC officer with the machine gun that I have the most problem with as I don't think the pose is very well sculpted. Obviously the original German army infantry figure set is very dated now but this new homage to them could have been so much better.
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Posted: Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 10:20 AM UTC

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The earliest one you have there is the M1935 which is the one I'm talking about that came in a few years before the war started, the earlier model is the M1918 and can usually be seen in 1930s rally photos. It's easy to distinguish as the flare at the bottom is much more pronounced and starts further up around the ear.

Considering in the past Tamiya has had no problem fitting their figures with the 40 I can't see why they'd accidentally make these look like the older model so I'm assuming it's deliberate. There's plenty of photos of Whermacht troops still wearing the 16/18 even during the outset of Barbarosa.



As to the "I'm assuming it's deliberate," it's definitely not.


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The M36 field uniform, featuring a jacket with a green collar and the distinctively-shaped M35 helmet, was used by the German army at the start of WWII. However, the Y-type suspenders had not yet been issued to all units at the time of the French Campaign.



From Tamiya's website.
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Posted: Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 11:18 AM UTC
Okay, decided to go actually pull them out of the cupboard and have a look in the flesh so to speak. Interestingly one of the sets of helmets in the kit is definitely the 35/40, ( the other set is the bog standard original Tamiya set ). The accentuated flare seems to come from what appears to be a thinning down to allow for the addition of the vent holes and camo band. The set with the vent holes and camo straps is marginally smaller now than the original, sort of as if instead of adding those bits on to an existing helmet you'd carved it down to include them.

Though even then sticking one on a head I can't get the exaggerated flare and flattened top of the ones in the site photo. They still look like your regular 35/40 albeit a slightly small sized one. The ones in the photo look a lot more like the 16/18, the ones in the kit more like the 35/40.
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Posted: Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 12:28 PM UTC
Like Dean, I just pulled my set out of the stash and took a peek.
The kit comes with two types of helmets.
What appears to be five M1942 type from the Tamiya's early weapons set sprue (mold date 1994) and three M1935 with rivets and vent holes and two more M1935 with the camo band from the new set.
The two types are completely different from each other, the older ones are much larger.
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