hey toby thats great hope you had a good holiday can't wait to see some pic I was thinking of a what if for a LAV-25 doing a mount as well maybe adding a doghouse to it and slat armor as well what do you think ?????
dave
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M2A4 Bradley - Urban FIST
dvarettoni
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 08:38 PM UTC
toby2282
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 02:38 AM UTC
Dave,
That sounds interesting. I've also got an old LAV-25 kit (Revell) but replaced the turret with an old Mouse House one. I've been toying around placing it on a V-150 hull or making an uparmoured version. The only problem is that the LAV-25 turret doesn't allow much add on stuff as its tiny. The doghouse idea is good. I've just bought an AEF Doghouse for the M113, which is a good starting point if you're lookin at something like that
Let me know how you get on
Toby
That sounds interesting. I've also got an old LAV-25 kit (Revell) but replaced the turret with an old Mouse House one. I've been toying around placing it on a V-150 hull or making an uparmoured version. The only problem is that the LAV-25 turret doesn't allow much add on stuff as its tiny. The doghouse idea is good. I've just bought an AEF Doghouse for the M113, which is a good starting point if you're lookin at something like that
Let me know how you get on
Toby
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 07:25 AM UTC
dave
that sounds a vet interesting idea and i look forward to seeing the photos if you go ahead with it.
that sounds a vet interesting idea and i look forward to seeing the photos if you go ahead with it.
dvarettoni
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:35 PM UTC
Thank guys I'm going to try to build the doghouse from scratch I thing that I'm going to start after I'm done with my ztz99
Dave
Dave
toby2282
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 02:03 AM UTC
Hi,
I've finally managed to get some pictures taken of the model.
It took alot longer than I planned to remove all the stubborn casting blocks that come with the Legend kits.
Here are some of the hull applique armour parts civered in Maskol prior to adding the Rustoleum spray which replicates the anti-slip coating.
Once sprayed they have now been mounted on the hull of the Bradley
Even though the ERA will be mounted on the hull front I still want to portray the anti-slip coating underneath.
Here the ERA blocks have been masked and sprayed with Rustoleum.
The turret vision blocks were removed and placed on 40 thou card so that when the additional armour was added the commander could still see through them. The commanders turret has also had the roof covered in Rustoleum.
A fair bit of work was completed on the side armour plates. Firstly the sink holes were filled and sanded smooth, then an additional piece of 40 thou card was added at the front of the left side plate. Additional holes were made as the Tamiya part is incorrect at the front. I then added the strips that run alomost the whole way down each plate and added bolt detail. I also added the larger bolt detail on the reverse side of the plates.
The ERA armour has been added on one side. It needs some filler as it was slightly warped and I couldn't get it to go straight.
All comments welcome. I will post some additional updates when I can!!
Cheers
Toby
I've finally managed to get some pictures taken of the model.
It took alot longer than I planned to remove all the stubborn casting blocks that come with the Legend kits.
Here are some of the hull applique armour parts civered in Maskol prior to adding the Rustoleum spray which replicates the anti-slip coating.
Once sprayed they have now been mounted on the hull of the Bradley
Even though the ERA will be mounted on the hull front I still want to portray the anti-slip coating underneath.
Here the ERA blocks have been masked and sprayed with Rustoleum.
The turret vision blocks were removed and placed on 40 thou card so that when the additional armour was added the commander could still see through them. The commanders turret has also had the roof covered in Rustoleum.
A fair bit of work was completed on the side armour plates. Firstly the sink holes were filled and sanded smooth, then an additional piece of 40 thou card was added at the front of the left side plate. Additional holes were made as the Tamiya part is incorrect at the front. I then added the strips that run alomost the whole way down each plate and added bolt detail. I also added the larger bolt detail on the reverse side of the plates.
The ERA armour has been added on one side. It needs some filler as it was slightly warped and I couldn't get it to go straight.
All comments welcome. I will post some additional updates when I can!!
Cheers
Toby
dvarettoni
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Posted: Sunday, September 19, 2010 - 02:15 AM UTC
Toby looks like to comeing along nicely can't wait to see this one finshed
dave
dave
toby2282
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Posted: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 11:17 PM UTC
Hi,
Managed to get some more done on the Bradley. Did a little work on the turret to get the main armament fitted, and the co-axial 40mm grenade launcher!! I also built part of the CIV and test fitted the MG that will be fitted to it. Where the work platform was I had done a fair bit of sanding which had destroyed the armour plate underneath. I therefore added a piece of .20thou plasticard and put some bolts on it. I will probably continue with the turret until it is finished then go back to the hull. (I'm actually putting off doing the wheels!!!)
Here are some pictures.
Cheers
Toby
Managed to get some more done on the Bradley. Did a little work on the turret to get the main armament fitted, and the co-axial 40mm grenade launcher!! I also built part of the CIV and test fitted the MG that will be fitted to it. Where the work platform was I had done a fair bit of sanding which had destroyed the armour plate underneath. I therefore added a piece of .20thou plasticard and put some bolts on it. I will probably continue with the turret until it is finished then go back to the hull. (I'm actually putting off doing the wheels!!!)
Here are some pictures.
Cheers
Toby
Redheadkevin
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 04:15 PM UTC
It's looking great, but I have one small criticism/comment about the Vulcan being used in relatively close-quarters urban environments. I think the moving barrels, would make the weapon more vulnerable to improvised or accidental methods of disabling it. A simple length of rebar between the barrels would wreak havoc when the crew tried to fire the weapon. It would prevent the barrels from turning, and even if the barrels could muscle their way around and bend the rebar, you'd probably damage the weapon. I'd stick with the Bushmaster. OR, put the Vulcan barrels in a sleeve, so they're not quite so exposed. Also, would this Brad keep the troop-carrying capability, or strictly be a support vehicle? An idea might be to throw a couple litters in the back, for emergency evacuation of wounded infantry.
I like the 4-SMAW launcher idea, actually better than the Laser-guided rockets. The SMAW is already used by ground troops, and wouldn't need to be modified to be a surface-to-surface weapon. Perhaps a better choice, however would be a Javelin missile. You'd keep the guided-missile capability of the TOW, but with a more autonomous weapon.
I like the 4-SMAW launcher idea, actually better than the Laser-guided rockets. The SMAW is already used by ground troops, and wouldn't need to be modified to be a surface-to-surface weapon. Perhaps a better choice, however would be a Javelin missile. You'd keep the guided-missile capability of the TOW, but with a more autonomous weapon.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 10:48 PM UTC
Nice work toby I'm likeing it I had some thought about my LAV after seeing this build I thnk that I'm going to go with 2 M-134 miney guns one mounted in a remote mount on the back and one mounted in a turent with a 50cal the afv would be a suport only afv with a lot of add on armor keep up the good work dave
toby2282
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 11:15 PM UTC
Kevin,
Thanks for the comments and suggestions. The Israelis used the M163 in an urban environment without any problems, but to deal with anyone stupid or brave enough to attempt to get close there is a M240 attached to the CIV. The vehicle would also be surrounded with infantry as it is a close support weapon and not a point weapon. Regarding the barrel sleeve I would imagine that the barrels would overheat without sufficient cool air. The reason I chose the Vulcan was due to the problems of the Bushmaster ammo penetrating the thick walled dwellings. The 20mm ammo of the Vulcan should not have that problem, and will also provide a higher rate of fire. There will be no troops and I am looking at getting some stretchers from MLM when they reopen. In relation to the SMAW the objective would be to destroy an enemy in a building. The Javelin would have a longer minimum range and the SMAW carries a thermobaric warhead (not nice if you're on the receiving end!!) which is perfect for buildings or bunkers, and 4 could be carried at once in the launcher. The unguided aspect is ideal in an urban scenario as there are numerous items that would snap a guide wire leaving the missile unguided.
Dave,
Have a look at the Legend miniguns. I bought a pair for my guntruck, and they would be ideal for the LAV, although they are only 5.56mm. I have a larger 7.62mm minigun (I think from Legend or Cobra Company) which would be more devestating.
Cheers
Toby
Thanks for the comments and suggestions. The Israelis used the M163 in an urban environment without any problems, but to deal with anyone stupid or brave enough to attempt to get close there is a M240 attached to the CIV. The vehicle would also be surrounded with infantry as it is a close support weapon and not a point weapon. Regarding the barrel sleeve I would imagine that the barrels would overheat without sufficient cool air. The reason I chose the Vulcan was due to the problems of the Bushmaster ammo penetrating the thick walled dwellings. The 20mm ammo of the Vulcan should not have that problem, and will also provide a higher rate of fire. There will be no troops and I am looking at getting some stretchers from MLM when they reopen. In relation to the SMAW the objective would be to destroy an enemy in a building. The Javelin would have a longer minimum range and the SMAW carries a thermobaric warhead (not nice if you're on the receiving end!!) which is perfect for buildings or bunkers, and 4 could be carried at once in the launcher. The unguided aspect is ideal in an urban scenario as there are numerous items that would snap a guide wire leaving the missile unguided.
Dave,
Have a look at the Legend miniguns. I bought a pair for my guntruck, and they would be ideal for the LAV, although they are only 5.56mm. I have a larger 7.62mm minigun (I think from Legend or Cobra Company) which would be more devestating.
Cheers
Toby
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 01:33 AM UTC
See, that's why I love discussion boards like these. You're right. You've thought about this very thoroughly, and I salute you for it. Good explanation of the Gatling gun, and the missiles. They had a problem with the Bushmaster OVERpenetrating the buildings or UNDERpenetrating the buildings?
dvarettoni
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 09:54 PM UTC
Toby I went back and looked they are m-134a's wich is 7.62 nato i saw a forum about a 3barrel 50cal and that might be a fun build dave
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Posted: Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 06:44 AM UTC
hi how is the model getting on, the picture looks realy good