hey is this
kv1
considered late?
as im buying a AM barrle as a small gift for my gf romantic i know,

i know they both say KV, but wich one is the right one!? 76.2 f-32
76.2mm ZiS-5/F-34

Hi James!
I would go with the second one. (Zis-5/F-34)

Laughed when I read that.

My SWMBO recently got "bitten by the bug" and has almost completed her second build. HOWEVER - she recently warned me that this DOESN'T mean that I can expect to get away with buying her kits and sundry modelling paraphernalia for birthdays and Xmas from now on!!

- Steve

Kimmo, you sure!? i want to order right now impatient i know!!

steve! ha i think i counteracted it with a necklace last week!
with me my gf ends up with a necklace and or a kit ! im not very creative as you can tell! lol!
plus shes the only one who listens to my long explanations about shurtzen, zimmerit and sloped armor

Hi James.
This is straight from the book (New Vanguard 17: KV-1 & 2 Heavy tanks by S. Zaloga & J. Kinnear): "In early 1941, the Grabin artillery bureau was developing an improved, lengthened 76.2 mm gun for the new T-34 medium tank, called F-34. The F-34 entered production in the spring -41, and began to be mounted on some T-34 tanks shortly afterwards. ............ , after the German invasion approval was granted to up-arm the KV with a deritative of this gun, called the ZIS-5."
After checking this book, I would go for it.

Thanks Kimmo! but the bank is being a pain, so i wont order today ¬¬. little annoyed, but i should be used to that!:D
thanks for your help

No problem, James.

BTW: if you see that book somewhere with low price, get your hands on it. I got mine from Book-Depository in UK.

Thanks Kimmo, ill keep my eyes peeled. i have always liked the look of the KV1, im planning to get the entire aber upgrade set for the '48 kv1, do you know if it comes with grilles?

Hi Jemas.
Don´t know for sure about 1/48 scale, but I can´t see any reason, why Aber PE sets would be without grilles. If their 1/35 PE sets usually contain everything needed, same should be with other scales.

That HB kit says that it is the KV-1 Model 1942 "simplified turret" but the turret looks like it is actually a KV-1 Model 1940 ChTZ. Box art could be wrong and the title is definately wrong. As far as I know there was no such thing as a Model 42 Simplified turret but there was a 41. Early production versions of the KV-1 Model 1941 ChTZ were armed with the F-32 but later productions ones recieved the ZIS-5 (F-22). The ZIS-5 and F-34 (T-34s gun) were nearly identical so you could use an F-34 barrel as well.

Roy

James,

Go with the ZIS-5/F-34 barrel. The kit you have is a scaled down version of the Trumpeter "Simplified Turret" kit. Both kits (Trumpeter and HB) depict the KV-1 Model 1942 with simplified welded turret and ZIS-5 gun.

The Model 1942 featured an up-armored hull (90mm sides vs 75mm on earlier models) and a squared-off rear hull overhang, and entered production in January 1942. The ZIS-5 guns entered service in early October 1941 and all the F-32 guns had been used up by mid-November, so all Model 1942s carried the ZIS-5.

Cheers,

Neil

thnx guys, all cleared up now!

Neil, I was aware of late production ChTZ "Simplified Turrets" being placed on Model 42 Hulls but I wasn't aware of a KV-1 ChTZ "Simplified Turret" Model 1942 designation. Did this designation officially exist for this configuration or is this simply a "Modelers" or "Historians" designation to refer to this configuration. Thanks.

Roy

Hi Roy,

The whole "Model 1941", "Model 1942" designation system is something made up by historians and modelers to inject a little structure into the discussion. At the time, the Soviets did not distinguish between the KV-1 variants, except by armament, unitl the KV-1S appeared.

The generally accepted, albeit arbitary, nomenclature is that the up-armored hulls with the squared-off rear hull overhang are Model 1942s, regardless of the type of turret. Earlier hulls with the rounded rear overhang and ZIS-5 guns are Model 1941s, and those with F-32 guns are Model 1940s.

All the Model 1942s were completed by ChKZ (ChTZ was renamed on 15 October 1941 after the LKZ factory and portions of KhPZ were relocated to Chelyabinsk). The hulls were actually manufactured under subcontract by UZTM in Sverdlovsk (short applique armor on the driver's front plate) and Factory No.200 in Chelyabinsk (tall applique armor). UZTM switched to T-34 production in July 1942, and the final Model 1942 and the KV-1S hulls were all built by Factory No.200.

Model 1942 hulls were fitted with three different types of turret by the factory; simplified welded turret (as depicted in the Trumpeter/Hobbyboss kits) introduced in September 1941, the original cast turret introduced in early January 1942 and the reinforced or "lightweight" cast turret introduced in late January/early February 1942. With a little cross-kitting of the Trumpeter and Hobbyboss kits, you can make any of these variants.

Cheers,

Neil