Hi guys, what is your opinion on modelling wounded soldiers, I want to do a field hospital.
The plan is a few wounded (no limbs hanging every where) A dead soldier under a blanket.
So what do you think?
Thanks very much.
Martyn
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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 03:02 AM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 03:18 AM UTC
hey martin
how bout using some old soldiers out of a spares box ( standing up soldiers )
and then get some toilet paper or the little tissue packets you can find at all good stores soak it in watered down pva glue and let set. that is my opinion of doing it.
if you want an arm hanging out cut the arm off the soldier or find a spare drill a little hole in the arm and body adjust it to the position you want and place abit off miliputt on and as again tissue in watered pva over top make sure to cover the part where the arm joint is of course and hey presto.
might sound abit poor but thats best idea i can think of..
hope that helps
tony
how bout using some old soldiers out of a spares box ( standing up soldiers )
and then get some toilet paper or the little tissue packets you can find at all good stores soak it in watered down pva glue and let set. that is my opinion of doing it.
if you want an arm hanging out cut the arm off the soldier or find a spare drill a little hole in the arm and body adjust it to the position you want and place abit off miliputt on and as again tissue in watered pva over top make sure to cover the part where the arm joint is of course and hey presto.
might sound abit poor but thats best idea i can think of..
hope that helps
tony
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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 03:34 AM UTC
Thanks Tony, I was asking if you would tolerate wounded soldiers on a dio?
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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 03:42 AM UTC
I don't see any real problem showing wounded soldiers so long as it's done realistically and tastefully. A scene drenched in blood would look over the top and rather crass (in my opinion), so be sure to use a little restraint when putting things together. I'm certainly not the final word on issues like this, but I think that a little blood goes a long way in a dio. Just my two cents' worth. Feel free to ask for change.
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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 03:50 AM UTC
Thanks Ed, like I said, it will be a few wounded soldiers in a hospital, one is under a blanket.
Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 04:53 AM UTC
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Thanks Tony, I was asking if you would tolerate wounded soldiers on a dio?
Its your model ... model what you want. There’s no rules or laws on what you can and cannot portray in a model. War is the main topic on these boards, yet death, blood and injuries, are almost skipped over.
Personally, I hate it when people try to dictate what should be modelled, but have avoided the subject myself.. not because of opinion, but more for the reason as its not the easiest to do convincingly. Trying to get blood colour and injury to look realisitic in scale, is up there with smoke and fire IMO.
If you have an idea ... go with it, but be aware ... it’s probably an area that gets more negative criticism than most.
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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 04:55 AM UTC
Martyn just stay within the boundaries of tact. Absolutely show blood but not in puddles or splashed around. Bandages that are spotted, small smears of blood on the troops and the medics are perfectly fine. War is hell on earth so dont be afraid to show what the effects are on the troops or the unsung heroism that the medics provided to the wounded. Good luck
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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 11:52 AM UTC
Thanks guys.
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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 01:40 PM UTC
Yeah I agree with the above Martyn.
No problem at all, especially when modelling a field hospital. The only thing I would object to would be a battle scene with limbs being blown off and blood splashes everywhere. Not a realistic snapshot then, methinks...
Brad
No problem at all, especially when modelling a field hospital. The only thing I would object to would be a battle scene with limbs being blown off and blood splashes everywhere. Not a realistic snapshot then, methinks...
Brad
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:59 AM UTC
Thanks Bradley.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 02:13 AM UTC
Hi Martyn,
I have been doing something like that too.
The dead soldier under the blanket is not all that hard to do. Just cobble together a figure from spares and cover that up. The only thing you'll see is the contours of the body.
The main problem is getting that beaten down and painfull look on their faces and in the fysical appearance.
Good luck!
I have been doing something like that too.
The dead soldier under the blanket is not all that hard to do. Just cobble together a figure from spares and cover that up. The only thing you'll see is the contours of the body.
The main problem is getting that beaten down and painfull look on their faces and in the fysical appearance.
Good luck!
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 02:27 AM UTC
Martyn,
As long as it doesn't look like the dio was built by Quentin Tarantino I, personally, have no problem with modelling wounded and dead.
If I can get my butt in gear by August, you'll be seeing wounded soldiers and such from me for the "Bitter taste of Defeat" campaign.
My 2 cents,
Bill
As long as it doesn't look like the dio was built by Quentin Tarantino I, personally, have no problem with modelling wounded and dead.
If I can get my butt in gear by August, you'll be seeing wounded soldiers and such from me for the "Bitter taste of Defeat" campaign.
My 2 cents,
Bill
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Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 02:18 AM UTC
as said, within tact. I have a dio with 2 dead british troopers on the side of the road as a german tank and troops move forward. no puddles or limbs to show but, the idea of fast advance by an enemy overruning a position. when being over run, it's survival not the dead that count at the time. by the way, blood turns black out of the body as it dries on the ground and a little will go a very long way to tell your story. it's a part of war that we all wish to avoid but unfortunatly, that's what happens in war.
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Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 11:39 AM UTC
I agree with what evryone has said here within the bounderies of tact, try and tell the story of the hospital rather than use it as a backdrop to gore a good tip for getting realistic blood is to get yourself along to your local toy shop, fancy dress palce or joke shop etc and get hold of some of that fake blood they sell in bottles yuo know the stuff that people use at halloween that is great as it is designed to look like blood and dries int he same colour palatte as blood, plus a small bottle will probably cost you a couple of £'s and as i assume this is 1/35th scale you certainly wont use it all and its a good thing to have knocking around your model kit.
good luck with the build
Simon
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good luck with the build
Simon
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Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 12:59 PM UTC
Martyn,
I wish there were more wounded guys available commercially (not just dead SS guys )
I wish there were more wounded guys available commercially (not just dead SS guys )
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Posted: Friday, July 31, 2009 - 07:08 AM UTC
Martyn i think that your choice of diorama gives no option but to portray wounded or even dead people and as such people will expect to find this within the work so it shouldnt be a shock, if it didnt contain any wounded/dead then it would be like creating a dio of omaha beach but without any beach, you know what i mean .
One thing to remember though about field hospitals during conflict is that a lot of the casualties were not caused by trauma but instead of desease so you get your casualties but without the gore, just depends on how you are depiting your field hospital, obviously if its on the eastern front during ww2 then theres a fare chance there is going to be trauma casualties.
Anyway i for one am looking forward to seeing what you do with this idea and have no problem with it so long as you dont go overboard and create a diorama version of SAW or HOSTEL .
Steve
One thing to remember though about field hospitals during conflict is that a lot of the casualties were not caused by trauma but instead of desease so you get your casualties but without the gore, just depends on how you are depiting your field hospital, obviously if its on the eastern front during ww2 then theres a fare chance there is going to be trauma casualties.
Anyway i for one am looking forward to seeing what you do with this idea and have no problem with it so long as you dont go overboard and create a diorama version of SAW or HOSTEL .
Steve
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Posted: Sunday, August 02, 2009 - 06:25 AM UTC
I think that your field hospital.aid station dio is a great idea. My dad was assigned to a field hospital in WW 2 attached to the 101 st . Airborne . I have been wanting to do a dio of a German hospital and try to be realistic about it and not too overly greusome. I just haven't gotten around to doing it for all the other stuff that I am working on. I have plenty of medical figures and what they dont have in wounded figures I can make up for with a little scratch building and imagination. See... now you got me going....gotta start this thing real soon. Al
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Posted: Sunday, August 02, 2009 - 06:56 AM UTC
Matyn,
Some time ago we had a MEDIC CAMPAIGN here. A lot of wounded or even dead soldiers had been built and I do believe that it wasn't difficult for anyone to keep it within the range of good taste.
BTW: I have to agree with Frank - trying to pait realisit blood without having it look like from "Elm Sreet" ( ) is almos as difficult as showing fire or smoke.
I think that your idea is very good - go for it.
Here's what I've done for Medic campaign:
Guys are wounded, nothing gore here (I hope)... It's a part of war, unfortunately...
Andrzej
Some time ago we had a MEDIC CAMPAIGN here. A lot of wounded or even dead soldiers had been built and I do believe that it wasn't difficult for anyone to keep it within the range of good taste.
BTW: I have to agree with Frank - trying to pait realisit blood without having it look like from "Elm Sreet" ( ) is almos as difficult as showing fire or smoke.
I think that your idea is very good - go for it.
Here's what I've done for Medic campaign:
Guys are wounded, nothing gore here (I hope)... It's a part of war, unfortunately...
Andrzej
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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 06:01 AM UTC
Not sure what era or nationality you're thinking of, but you can see my approach here:
[www.usarmymodels.com/MODEL%20GALLERY/Hurtgen%20Forest/1intro.html]
[www.usarmymodels.com/MODEL%20GALLERY/Hurtgen%20Forest/1intro.html]
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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 06:22 AM UTC
IMHO if wounded minis are essential to your dio, then add them, but try not be too 'graphic' or you'll take attention away from the overall message of the dio
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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 07:46 AM UTC
Wow thanks for the responce guys, MUCH APPRECIATED! As for the dio, I will plan and go from there.