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Playing with Zimmerit - Part 2
TrifonDK
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:01 AM UTC
Time then to really get into this Zimmerit thing.
I'm starting Dragon's Porsche Tiger (always wanted a Porsche... I'm an 80's guy what can I say... ) a beautiful kit IMHO.



I'll be using this Wood Putty I picked up in Praktiker in combination with Tamiya's Zimmerit applicators, my aritst's spatula and tap water.


Yeah, now you know how to spell Wood Putty in Greek!

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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:06 AM UTC
I decided to start at the gun mantlet and go for completing the turret before moving to the hull.
The thing is, I had used up the extra mantlet from the kit when I was trying out my putty/cement technique, so I had to go straight to the one to be used in the final build. Well, no problem whatsoever with wood putty! the first two attempts were washed off with warm water and hand soap, I cleaned the parts with alcohol and started over.

Here are some progress pics:
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:10 AM UTC








TrifonDK
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:15 AM UTC
Some small observations:
After cleaning out the part with alcohol, i roughened up the surface with heavy grit sandpaper. Actually I tried both ways, if you look at the front plate, the left hand side I did without sanding and the right hand side I sanded. The putty definitely stuck better on the sanded side.

I kept both the spatula and the zimm applicator wet at all times and it went unbelievably smooth...

More to follow.
TrifonDK
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2009 - 03:16 AM UTC
Oh, BTW, pls don't start screaming at me about the red primed barrel!

I use a car acrylic metal primer (thax Mr. Greenland) which happens to be... RED!

And priming the metal barrel before installation was one of my first priorities. The whole thing is going to be bright red at some point , I'll make sure to post a pic.
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2009 - 09:08 AM UTC
Hi there Trifon! Thanks for taking the time to share with us all your findings! It's always good to experiment with new mediums and tools where zimmerit is concerned. I will have to give the wood putty a go sometime (I might be able to spell it now... But I doubt if I could pronounce it! ) Thanks again I look forwards to more work from your lab Doktor!

Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 01:19 PM UTC
You are a braver man than i sir I wont be trying my own zim for a long time Looks great keep up those projects.
TrifonDK
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Posted: Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 07:05 AM UTC
Hi guys,

Small update... haven't done much, been travelling


Taken out the window of the last seat of an Airbus A320 on final at Corfu Airport
at 39°34'55.01"N/ 19°54'57.15"E for anyone who wants to look it up...

So here's what I've got:




And I'm slightly stuck...

I can find no relevant photos so I don't knw whether to apply Zimmerit under the bin at the back of the turret... Things get pretty fiddly back there with the PE track hangers and the bin supports themselves so I want to come to a hard decision before I start...

I can think of quite a few ways to justify doing it either way.

Suggestions anyone?

Cheers!
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Posted: Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 09:33 AM UTC
Zimmerit was one of the last things done to an AFV before it left the factory or on eary examples it was done in the field(Quite rare). So if the rear bin was inplace then no Zim would be behind it. but I don't know how the Tiger P left the factory. i don't have any referance's on these rare Tanks. Geraint
TrifonDK
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Posted: Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 01:31 PM UTC
Since we're talking about ONE particular hence extremely rare vehicle we have to go with what's known...

According to Jentz & Doyle from "The History of the Porsche Typ 100 and 101"


Quoted Text

Sent back to Nibelungenwerk, it was modified in early 1944 by changing to Maybach water-cooled engines, bolting on additional frontal armor, coating it with Zimmerit.



So it went back to the factory complete where it was worked on, beefed up and shipped out...

So, I'll go out on a limp here and say: they didn't take off the bin supports or the track hangers and tie-downs which we know were already installed beforehand, rather they worked around them shoring up the Zimmerit right up to them.

I think I'll go with that. I've got a big garden project on for this Sunday, so I hope I get some comments by the time I get back to the workbench.
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