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lespauljames

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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 09:07 AM UTC
hello troops, just a qucikie, would a britich officer in normandy/Caen been allowed to wield a mp40, also, where would the scavenged ammo pouches go?

JeepLC

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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 09:35 AM UTC
Well. I can't speak for Brits, but my great uncle used an MP40 as his back-up (he was a m1 rifelman) throughout his time in Europe. From the few pics I have seen of him at that time, he simply slung 4 extra magazines (in a canvas bag) off the right side of his hip. He loved German equiptment too much apparantly. As he froze his a** off in the Ardennes he wore a German fur lined coat that he took off of a dead soldier. It was infested with body lice! He said, though, that he would have rather itched than froze to death. Lesser of two evils I suppose.
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sideways

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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 10:52 AM UTC
i met a veteren british officer and used a B.A.R in normandy,so anything is possible, he only got rid of it when he could'nt scavenge anymore ammo and threw it in a hedge after falaise!
He used his normal ammo pouches, and they would be big enough for MP mags as there about the same as sten mags.
He used his normal ammo pouches, and they would be big enough for MP mags as there about the same as sten mags.

jjumbo

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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 11:13 AM UTC
Hey James,
I guess anything is possible.
Some German weapons like their machine pistols were generally better made than their British counterparts, like the "Stench" Gun.
In a pinch, a British officer, NCO or squadie could probably have used an MP38/40 if they captured it.
Since the MP38/40 used the same 9mm Parabellum ammo that the Sten Gun used, spare magazines would probably be carried in one of the pouches worn on the front by most British soldiers.
My Dad disliked the Sten Gun and told me of Canadian soldiers using captured pistols, rifles, machine pistols and machine guns when they felt they needed the extra firepower.
I've seen a photo of a Canadian soldier wielding a German machine pistol some where in Italy or NW Europe.
Cheers

jjumbo
I guess anything is possible.
Some German weapons like their machine pistols were generally better made than their British counterparts, like the "Stench" Gun.
In a pinch, a British officer, NCO or squadie could probably have used an MP38/40 if they captured it.
Since the MP38/40 used the same 9mm Parabellum ammo that the Sten Gun used, spare magazines would probably be carried in one of the pouches worn on the front by most British soldiers.
My Dad disliked the Sten Gun and told me of Canadian soldiers using captured pistols, rifles, machine pistols and machine guns when they felt they needed the extra firepower.
I've seen a photo of a Canadian soldier wielding a German machine pistol some where in Italy or NW Europe.
Cheers



jjumbo


lespauljames

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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 10:04 PM UTC
thanks guys, some helpful stuff,


alanmac

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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 10:27 PM UTC
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Besides it would not be fitting of a British officer to use an enemy weapon because this will not instil confidence and the courage in his men!
Really





calvin_ng

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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 10:28 PM UTC
i remember someone on this forum or the ML forum found an actual picture of a G.I wielding a mp44 during the bulge, sadly i didnt save the picture.


jowady
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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 06:30 PM UTC
Captured small arms could be carried, the problem being ammunition supply. Of course, a lot of the photos that you see of guys carrying captured equipment could be explained as souvenirs. Still, you do see germans carrying Russian SMGs and even in the current war I have seen US soldiers carrying AKs.

Tarok

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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 06:42 PM UTC
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you do see germans carrying Russian SMGs
An excerpt from a forthcoming review of mine:
"The captured robust, reliable PPSh41 sub-machine gun was a favourite weapon of Heer and Waffen-SS troops engaged on the Eastern Front, and because of the similarities between its 7.62x25mm round and the Mauser 7.63x25mm round was easily supplied with ammunition. Indeed, so many were captured that the Red Army’s PPSh41 sub-machine gun, the trademark of the Soviet Army, became the second most common sub-machine gun used by Germany’s Wehrmacht."

calvin_ng

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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 09:50 PM UTC
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Quoted TextBesides it would not be fitting of a British officer to use an enemy weapon because this will not instil confidence and the courage in his men!
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if my eyes dont deceive me, is that the early panther G named cuckoo , which was used by the 6 guards armored division?

alanmac

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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:18 PM UTC
Hi Calvin
It is indeed the Cuckoo Panther used by the Guards.
Well, it could be, or it could be a elborate propaganda stunt by the Germans to undermine the British confidence in their own equipment and not instil confidence and courage in their men as I think somebody said
Alan
It is indeed the Cuckoo Panther used by the Guards.
Well, it could be, or it could be a elborate propaganda stunt by the Germans to undermine the British confidence in their own equipment and not instil confidence and courage in their men as I think somebody said



Alan

lespauljames

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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 12:14 AM UTC
Thanks guys, after consideration i think i'll leave it out, just to be safe. I don't think the figure i'm using is actually an officer, i think he's a british commando so i don't know how they really work.

Galwitz

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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 01:41 AM UTC
MP40, although there is a chance it's not an officer:

And G41:



And G41:


jjumbo

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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 04:29 PM UTC
Here's a few pictures of captured weapons including the American soldier with the Sturmgewehr 44 aka MP44.
Axis History Forum
Cheers

jjumbo
Axis History Forum
Cheers



jjumbo


lespauljames

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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 11:36 PM UTC
alright! you have twisted my arm so to speak,! ill see if i have a spare Mp 40
Thanks!
Thanks!


grimmo

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Posted: Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 12:55 AM UTC
an officer? a british officer use anything other than a pistol? Goodness gracious me! That what enlisted men are for!
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