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can you seal pigments with flat clear?
bulldawg380
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 01:02 PM UTC
pigments are reallatively new to me and i dont like the fact that the pigments can be rub off by the slightest touch of the fingers can someone please let me know what i can do cause i dont like expirmenting on finished models that have lots of time invested thanks
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 01:04 PM UTC
Yes, but you have to be very careful with them. You have to use very low pressure or you will blow and wash the pigments off.
mcourter
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 01:36 PM UTC
Ronnie,
I've had great success using Testor's dullcote lacquer bought at the local hobby shop. I tried Pollyscale Clear flat (also made by Testor's I think) and it tended to "frost" more easily if you put too much on (then you likely will have to repaint that area). With the dullcote lacquer, a single pass shot through the airbrush seals the pigments nicely. However, it tends to darken the pigment a little and you lose a little of the effect, so once you hit it with the airbrush, you may decide to repeat the process.
Have fun!
Mike
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 - 05:28 AM UTC
thanks i grew up and lived in macon GA before moving to las vegas
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 - 07:58 PM UTC
I would experiment on an old model first as you'll lose most of the effects of the pigments with that flat coat.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 02:36 AM UTC
My experience with clearing pigments is that it pretty much does wash out the effects. When I finish a model I like to use dry pigments and on one model I did clear afterwards and it totally washed the pigments away.


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Metal_blast
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Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 10:13 AM UTC
Hey,

You got me thinking; so I just tried it. I used Vallojo matte varnish... you have to thin it considerably before you spray as it comes out in clumps I sprayed a thin coat and it didn't seem to affect the pigmented area. Just make sure you thin whatever matte coat you're using and spray only a thin coat. By the way, I used Mig pigments if you're wondering.
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Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 04:06 PM UTC
I have read various modelers mention that they apply pigment dissolved in a liquid medium. The liquid evaporates, leaving the pigment in place. I presume the medium "fixes" the pigment to some extent. I have never done it that way, but one of these days I will experiment with the technique.

Has anyone ever tried applying pigment in a super diluted mixture of Future? My thought was that the Future would bind the pigment, but if thinned enough, still leave a very matte finish. Perhaps a mixture of thinned Future, Tamiya Flat, and pigment would work better? In many respects, this would be equivalent to making mud using acrylic medium and pigment, but in a much more subdued form.

-Doug
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