Here are some pictures of my new “KriegsLoks” railway diorama in 1/35 scale.
They are 3 months I’m working on it and I think it is going to be a very long project.
*** DIORAMA ***
The overall diorama design has been performed using a 3d modeller/renderer with which I have represented the main components:
- A BR 52 locomotive with a K22T30 tender (tub tender). ‘Blue’ objects in the 3d model.
- A BR 86 locomotive. ‘Green’ object in the 3d model.
- A german 23m turn-table. ‘Brown’ object in the 3d model.
- A section of a locomotives depot. Transparent object in the 3d model.
- A K4T30 tender (inside the depot). ‘Yellow’ object in the 3d model.
Top view of the diorama. The overall size is 40 cm x 140 cm. The diorama is split into 2 modules: the “turn-table” module (40 cm x 80 cm) and the “depot” module (40 cm x 60 cm).
Side view of the diorama. The circular base of the turn-table has been cut to reduce the diorama depth. In the 3d model, the turn-table control cabin has not been represented.
Front view of the diorama.
Side view of the diorama. The depot is going to contain a tender submitted to maintenance activities. The depot height and shape are not the final ones.
*** KITS ***
I’m working on the following:
- Trumpeter BR 52 & K4T30 with Eduard and Voyager Models multi-media detail sets. Note that, the Trumpeter tender is going to be placed in the depot.
- Tank Workshop K22T30. This tender is going to be associated to the BR 52 on the turn-table.
- CMK BR 86.
The turn-table, the depot, and the remaining parts of the diorama are being scratchbuilt.
*** BR 86 ***
Currently, I’m cleaning the resin parts.
*** BR 52 ***
A lot of work will be necessary for the BR 52. This is due to the fact that the 2 detail sets need to be integrated and also because many details are still missing. In my opinion, the Voyager Models set is more accurate with respect to the Eduard one. This mainly depends on the availability of photoetched parts to completely replace the cabin and other important parts of the locomotive, but also the thickness of many parts is more accurate.
Here are some picture of the detail work I’m performing on the chassis.
The Trumpeter kit completely misses the bolts. I’ve reproduced them with plasticard hexagonal bolts. Their ‘regular’ positioning has been possible using a drilled mask.
This is the final result on the chassis.
These parts have been selected from the Voyager Models set (because of the more convincing thickness) and have been furtherly detailed using the Scale Hardware bolts.
The Trumpeter air containers have been detailed with Voyager Models parts.
The Trumpeter air containers have been completed with scratchbuilt tubes.
*** 23m TURN-TABLE ***
Of course, the turn-table needs to be scratchbuilt. I started by choosing the location of the center on the 40 cm x 80 cm module and by drawing the main turn-table elements with their respective heights.
Ciao, Sante
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 02:44 AM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 03:04 AM UTC
Outstanding job so far, I think the plan is very good, great direction lines all around, and all your little wooden parts wow.. Can't wait to see your project unfolding more
I stay posted
JB
I stay posted
JB
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 03:28 AM UTC
Well, that's what i call planning!
Impressive scratchbuilding, you certainly are able to bring this dio to a beautiful end
Claude
Impressive scratchbuilding, you certainly are able to bring this dio to a beautiful end
Claude
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:27 AM UTC
Thanks for the encouraging words.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:51 AM UTC
impressive! glad to see more railroad stuff! i'm building a 1/72 BR52 with a Krupp K5(e) railway gun. it's under constructive feedbacl if u want to take a look.
any thoughts on paint schemes of the locomotives?
any thoughts on paint schemes of the locomotives?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:51 AM UTC
Impressive Sante!
I really like your WR360 C14 diorama, can' wait to see this one finish.
I'm planning also to make BR52 diorama.
Bravo!
I really like your WR360 C14 diorama, can' wait to see this one finish.
I'm planning also to make BR52 diorama.
Bravo!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:11 AM UTC
This is very ambitious project, Sante.
I do not know, how far you wanna go with your details, but note that even with use mentioned PE there will be still many parts missing on your BR 52. What loco do you use for references? There were smaller or bigger differencies between locos, depending on their manufacturers and year. Trumpeter has made many mistakes on their BR 52, which is actually copy of CMK kit with their mistakes made, the same about BR 86, which is even worse than their BR 52 kit
I do not wanna bother you, I really like your undertaking so far, and should you be looking for some advice or references, I can give you very exact ones beside of my criticism
Cheers
Libor
I do not know, how far you wanna go with your details, but note that even with use mentioned PE there will be still many parts missing on your BR 52. What loco do you use for references? There were smaller or bigger differencies between locos, depending on their manufacturers and year. Trumpeter has made many mistakes on their BR 52, which is actually copy of CMK kit with their mistakes made, the same about BR 86, which is even worse than their BR 52 kit
I do not wanna bother you, I really like your undertaking so far, and should you be looking for some advice or references, I can give you very exact ones beside of my criticism
Cheers
Libor
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 08:17 AM UTC
Yo Sante,
What a project!
Love you're scratchwork...every dio builder should do a planning like you did...stunning so far!
Love to see more.
Greetz Nico
What a project!
Love you're scratchwork...every dio builder should do a planning like you did...stunning so far!
Love to see more.
Greetz Nico
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 08:37 AM UTC
Now that is cool! Great scratch work!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 11:36 AM UTC
I am subscribed to this thread. Looking forward to seeing your progress.
Cheers
Dave
Cheers
Dave
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 03:18 PM UTC
Working on the RR. Way to hit the ground running Sante. Can't wait to see this one progress. Your off to a great start.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 07:27 PM UTC
Quoted Text
This is very ambitious project, Sante.
I do not know, how far you wanna go with your details, but note that even with use mentioned PE there will be still many parts missing on your BR 52. What loco do you use for references? There were smaller or bigger differencies between locos, depending on their manufacturers and year. Trumpeter has made many mistakes on their BR 52, which is actually copy of CMK kit with their mistakes made, the same about BR 86, which is even worse than their BR 52 kit
I do not wanna bother you, I really like your undertaking so far, and should you be looking for some advice or references, I can give you very exact ones beside of my criticism
Cheers
Libor
Thanks for your advices. Of course I'm interested in further material for detailing both BR 52 and BR 86. Tomorrow I'll send to you the complete list of my references.
What kind of references do you have?
I know the project is going to be long and difficult.
Concerning the BR 52 locomotives released by CMK and Trumpeter, I know the problem. And for this reason I decided to build the CMK BR 86 and to avoid buying the arriving Trumpeter one.
Ciao, Sante
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:45 PM UTC
At the moment nearly 50 books about German railway WWII era, part of it reference pictures and technical data about all the steam locomotives and wagons ever built till 1945, some good drawingst etc.
For build like this the best reference are pictures anyway, and if someone wants to build really realistic kit, then the best way is following some exact loco, if the references are available. So I went to German museum last year and got detailed walkaround photos for my BR 64 and BR 86, but lately I found out, that still was not enough. That is why I have stopped my work on BR 86 283 for now, and I am going back next month to get another couple thousands pictures to cover every screw. I will also get some more pictures needed for BR 52 5804, which I want to start in the future, I have very good reference for post war one (No.0153), but there were some changes made later and some equipment added by Czech rail company. There is walkaround available for 5804 here:
BR 52
The loco is in the museum where I am going to, so I will get the rest needed.
I need BR 86 for my campaign build overhere to finish in a few months, so I will probably switch into Trumpeter´s kit with resin adds, made by myself. The reason is, that styrene kit wont take that long to finish and work on it is a bit easier. So far the CMK and Trumpeter look very same, so it will be good way to find out, how exact Chinesse are with their copy
In the future, I´d like to compare both the kits at my website anyway
So that is my way, to find the best reference for any loco, and than follow it to get perfect result. That will avoid any mistakes
I will probably get pictures for a few different locos anyway, and in case of interest I will share them
Cheers
Libor
For build like this the best reference are pictures anyway, and if someone wants to build really realistic kit, then the best way is following some exact loco, if the references are available. So I went to German museum last year and got detailed walkaround photos for my BR 64 and BR 86, but lately I found out, that still was not enough. That is why I have stopped my work on BR 86 283 for now, and I am going back next month to get another couple thousands pictures to cover every screw. I will also get some more pictures needed for BR 52 5804, which I want to start in the future, I have very good reference for post war one (No.0153), but there were some changes made later and some equipment added by Czech rail company. There is walkaround available for 5804 here:
BR 52
The loco is in the museum where I am going to, so I will get the rest needed.
I need BR 86 for my campaign build overhere to finish in a few months, so I will probably switch into Trumpeter´s kit with resin adds, made by myself. The reason is, that styrene kit wont take that long to finish and work on it is a bit easier. So far the CMK and Trumpeter look very same, so it will be good way to find out, how exact Chinesse are with their copy
In the future, I´d like to compare both the kits at my website anyway
So that is my way, to find the best reference for any loco, and than follow it to get perfect result. That will avoid any mistakes
I will probably get pictures for a few different locos anyway, and in case of interest I will share them
Cheers
Libor
sante_candia
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 11:02 PM UTC
Quoted Text
At the moment nearly 50 books about German railway WWII era, part of it reference pictures and technical data about all the steam locomotives and wagons ever built till 1945, some good drawingst etc.
For build like this the best reference are pictures anyway, and if someone wants to build really realistic kit, then the best way is following some exact loco, if the references are available. So I went to German museum last year and got detailed walkaround photos for my BR 64 and BR 86, but lately I found out, that still was not enough. That is why I have stopped my work on BR 86 283 for now, and I am going back next month to get another couple thousands pictures to cover every screw. I will also get some more pictures needed for BR 52 5804, which I want to start in the future, I have very good reference for post war one (No.0153), but there were some changes made later and some equipment added by Czech rail company. There is walkaround available for 5804 here:
BR 52
The loco is in the museum where I am going to, so I will get the rest needed.
I need BR 86 for my campaign build overhere to finish in a few months, so I will probably switch into Trumpeter´s kit with resin adds, made by myself. The reason is, that styrene kit wont take that long to finish and work on it is a bit easier. So far the CMK and Trumpeter look very same, so it will be good way to find out, how exact Chinesse are with their copy
In the future, I´d like to compare both the kits at my website anyway
So that is my way, to find the best reference for any loco, and than follow it to get perfect result. That will avoid any mistakes
I will probably get pictures for a few different locos anyway, and in case of interest I will share them
Cheers
Libor
Libor,
for the BR 52, I have the same reference you specified in your reply and two more closeups (tomorrow I'll send the lokomotive serial numbers).
Concerning the BR 86, I miss a complete closeup and I'm studying several pictures, drawings and the "Die Baurehie 86" book by Andreas Knipping, trying to characterise the locos belonging to the various batches and released by the various builders.
Of course I would be interested to a detailed closeup.
Where are you going to take pictures?
Ciao, Sante
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 03:51 AM UTC
The book from Andreas is one of the best I ever had in my hands. You can trace all the BR 86 easily, also its technical side is just wonderful.
There is a few pictures available at my website in reference section, I will add more later, when I am back from Germany. The museum is steam locomotives museum DDM in Neuenmarkt http://www.dampflokmuseum.de/cms/
but I have a few more ones in my mind, if time allows
Cheers
Libor
There is a few pictures available at my website in reference section, I will add more later, when I am back from Germany. The museum is steam locomotives museum DDM in Neuenmarkt http://www.dampflokmuseum.de/cms/
but I have a few more ones in my mind, if time allows
Cheers
Libor
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 06:22 PM UTC
Quoted Text
At the moment nearly 50 books about German railway WWII era, part of it reference pictures and technical data about all the steam locomotives and wagons ever built till 1945, some good drawingst etc.
For build like this the best reference are pictures anyway, and if someone wants to build really realistic kit, then the best way is following some exact loco, if the references are available. So I went to German museum last year and got detailed walkaround photos for my BR 64 and BR 86, but lately I found out, that still was not enough. That is why I have stopped my work on BR 86 283 for now, and I am going back next month to get another couple thousands pictures to cover every screw. I will also get some more pictures needed for BR 52 5804, which I want to start in the future, I have very good reference for post war one (No.0153), but there were some changes made later and some equipment added by Czech rail company. There is walkaround available for 5804 here:
BR 52
The loco is in the museum where I am going to, so I will get the rest needed.
I need BR 86 for my campaign build overhere to finish in a few months, so I will probably switch into Trumpeter´s kit with resin adds, made by myself. The reason is, that styrene kit wont take that long to finish and work on it is a bit easier. So far the CMK and Trumpeter look very same, so it will be good way to find out, how exact Chinesse are with their copy
In the future, I´d like to compare both the kits at my website anyway
So that is my way, to find the best reference for any loco, and than follow it to get perfect result. That will avoid any mistakes
I will probably get pictures for a few different locos anyway, and in case of interest I will share them
Cheers
Libor
*** REFERENCES ***
Here are my references for the BR 52:
- M. Weisbrod, H. J. Obermayer – Die Baureihe 52, Eisenbahn Journal II/96.
- P. Slaughter, A. Vassiliev, R. Beier – The German Class 52 "Kriegslok", Frank Stenvalls Förlag.
- Atlas CD for BR 52.
- BR 52 3548 closeup.
- BR 52 4966 closeup.
- BR 52 5804 closeup.
- Ty2 7173 closeup.
- Pictures from the Internet.
Here are my references for the BR 86:
- A. Knipping – Die Baureihe 86, EK-Verlag.
- Atlas CD for BR 86.
- Pictures from the Internet.
Here are my references for the 23m turn-table:
- Original 23m Drehscheibe Construction Plans.
- Pictures from the Internet (a few).
Here are my more general references:
- H. J. Obermayer, M. Weisbrod – Dampflok Report: Baureihen 22-39, Eisenbahn Journal II/95.
- A. Knipping, R. Schulz – Eisenbahnen zwischen Ostfront und Atlantikwall (1939-1945), Trans Press.
- A. Knipping, R. Schulz – Reichsbahn hinter der Ostfront (1941-1944), Trans Press.
- J. Piekalkiewicz – Die Deutsche Reichsbahn im Zweiten Weltkrieg, Trans Press Spezial.
- A. B. Gottwaldt – Deutsche Kriegslokomotiven 1939 bis 1945, Trans Press.
- M. Reimer – Lokomotiven für die Ostfront, GeraMond.
- J. M. Mehltretter – Dampf-Lokomotiven, Trans Press Spezial.
Ciao, Sante
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2009 - 12:05 AM UTC
You have got some very good books there
Listed locos are great, still available in museums to get exact references. And also good example of their variability, because they all are slightly different in accesories. Which one you have chosen for your build?
I´ll let you know, when something new is available to help(pictures etc), and I am also looking forward to see your progress here.
Cheers
Libor
Listed locos are great, still available in museums to get exact references. And also good example of their variability, because they all are slightly different in accesories. Which one you have chosen for your build?
I´ll let you know, when something new is available to help(pictures etc), and I am also looking forward to see your progress here.
Cheers
Libor
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 12:05 AM UTC
Hello.
I've restarted my activity on the german 23 m round table.
During the last weeks, I've decided to increase the depth of the diorama.
This means that the round table area measures 80 cm x 50 cm.
I've produced a 3d model of the round table base and I've identified
the various base components.
Here are some pictures documenting the improvements.
This top view allows the identification of the shapes of the various pieces.
Base rendering
Some of the base pieces. The final collocation of the pieces will be done once all of them
have been produced and the full compatibility has been verified.
Ciao, Sante
I've restarted my activity on the german 23 m round table.
During the last weeks, I've decided to increase the depth of the diorama.
This means that the round table area measures 80 cm x 50 cm.
I've produced a 3d model of the round table base and I've identified
the various base components.
Here are some pictures documenting the improvements.
This top view allows the identification of the shapes of the various pieces.
Base rendering
Some of the base pieces. The final collocation of the pieces will be done once all of them
have been produced and the full compatibility has been verified.
Ciao, Sante
Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 02:53 AM UTC
Hi Sante. I will be looking forward to the progress in this for sure. I really enjoyed your WR360C diorama. If the build, weathering and diorama is up to that standard, we are in for a treat. Its looking great so far.