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What are these SPGs
Halfyank
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 06:55 AM UTC
As a taxi driver I spend most of my nights on Fort Carson, CO driving soldiers around. They are quite a few examples of old armor, SPGs, and APCs around, what my friend Matt calls "flower pots." I can I.D. most of them but here are two I can't figure out.



This looks pretty much like a M40 but with a shorter barrel and the idler being on the same level as the road wheels.



This one has such a long barrel I can't fit it into the frame. It almost seems Russian.

Thanks in advance for help I.D.ing these.

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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 06:59 AM UTC
If the last one has a muzzle brake then its an M110A2. Otherwise its an M107. Most likely its the former.

The first one looks like an M52, but with an open top. Could be an early T98 prototype. EDIT: I'm no good on late '40s-50s SP artillery, but I remembered one that I hadn't checked, and its spot on. The first on is an M44.
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 07:01 AM UTC
Not sure on the first one? the second on is a M110 i think??
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 07:24 AM UTC
You're right, the length of the barrel makes positive ID challenging. With the howitzer barrel, it could be either the M110A1 or A2, depending if a muzzle brake is present. With the cannon barrel, which is extremely lengthy (175 mm, I believe), this would be the M107.
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 07:31 AM UTC
There are no M107's on Carson that I have seen, but several M110A2's. This is one of them.
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 07:51 AM UTC
The first one is the M44. The M52 was very similar but had the smaller and shorter 105MM gun.
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 07:54 AM UTC
The first one is an M44 Howitzer. The second one is most likely an M110A2 since it is in 3-color NATO camo.
Halfyank
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 08:26 AM UTC

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There are no M107's on Carson that I have seen, but several M110A2's. This is one of them.



Several M110A2's? This one is down south off Butts Rd across from the rifle ranges. I think it's by the National Guard section. Where are the others?

I have to drive out there again to check on the muzzle break, I can't recall if it has one or not.

The pictures I've looked at on the internet, now that you've pointed out the number, do confirm the first one as a M44.

Thanks a lot guys.

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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 12:20 PM UTC
Rodger, drop and give the redlegs 10.

That SPG was a main part of our inventory for 30 years. There was even a recovery vehicle that used the same chassis.

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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 03:03 PM UTC
Gino hit it on the head but the tell tail of the M107 was a barrel suppot for traveling. The M110 series had no support. If it has a muzzle brake A2 if not A1....barrel is too long to be the original 110.

Rounds Complete!!
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 09:40 PM UTC
Come on through B Street gate, turn left after 200m (where they do they motorcycle certification) and follow dirt road to the east. There are several older vehicles on the hilltop about 300-400 meters. You'll also pass some Soviet vehicles on the right. This is north of the old stockade. (current RTI)
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 - 03:03 AM UTC
M110A2's come in both flavors, not just three tone. These are two of the ones on Ft. Carson I mentioned.
Lots of other great finds hidden away on post as well.

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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 - 12:04 PM UTC

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Rodger, drop and give the redlegs 10.

That SPG was a main part of our inventory for 30 years. There was even a recovery vehicle that used the same chassis.




Yup! That would be the M-578. Verlinden has/had a resin conversion kit which I used to make one. Not too bad a kit, but the cab is just a solid hunk of resin so you can't really do any interior stuff.
m75
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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 - 02:09 PM UTC
Did anyone happen to notice the GOER parked next to the two SPGs? Heck of a truck, and would make an interesting model as well. Came in cargo, wrecker and fuel versions, supporting armor units primarily.
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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 - 03:05 PM UTC
Well, I did, sort of. If you're interested in giving a scratchbuild a go let me know.
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