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Clear Matt (Flat) Finish
Cartyb
North Carolina, United States
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 07:46 AM UTC
Question for anyone. Does anyone have a partiular tehnique or brand of paint that they use to airbrush a matt finish on armour once completed? I usually use Dullcoat out of the can with good results but will be going to a place where it will not be available. I usually use Tamiya paints in my airbrush but have not used their flat clear for my final finish. Does anyone have paint/thinner ratios for the Tamiya Flat Clear that will keep me from getting a white haze but end up with a nice matt finish? Any info is appriciated.
Belt_Fed
New Jersey, United States
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 07:52 AM UTC
Polly scale clear flat is perfect. Spay it unthinned and you should have no problems. HTH
AJLaFleche
Massachusetts, United States
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 08:05 AM UTC
The best formula for successfully using flat base is the following:
Add four parts Flat Base and
Round about the Cauldron go;
In the poison'd Entrails throw.
Toad, that under cold stone
Days and Nights has thirty-one
Swelter'd Venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot.
Double, double toile and trouble ;
Fire burn and Cauldron bubble.
Fillet of a Fenny Snake,
In the Cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of Newt, and Toe of Frogge,
Wool of Bat, and Tongue of Dogge,
Adder's Fork, and Blind-worm's Sting,
Lizard's leg, and Howlet's wing,
For a Charm of powerful trouble
Like a Hell-broth boil and bubble.
Double, double toyle and trouble,
Fire burn and Cauldron bubble.
Scale of Dragon, Tooth of Wolf,
Witches' Mummy, Maw and Gulf
Of the ravin'd salt Sea shark,
Root of Hemlock digg'd i' the dark,
Liver of Blaspheming Jew,
Gall of Goat, and Slips of Yew
Silver'd in the Moon's Eclipse,
Nose of Turk, and Tartar's lips,
Finger of Birth-strangled Babe
Ditch-deliver'd by a Drab,
Make the Gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a Tiger's Chaudron,
For the Ingredients of our Cauldron.
Cool it with a Baboon's blood,
Then the Charm is firm and good.
O! well done! I commend your pains,
And every one shall share i' the gains.
And now about the Cauldron sing,
Like Elves and Fairies in a Ring,
Enchanting all that you put in.
Black spirits and white, red spirits and gray;
Mingle, mingle, mingle, you that mingle may.
Add four parts Flat Base and
Round about the Cauldron go;
In the poison'd Entrails throw.
Toad, that under cold stone
Days and Nights has thirty-one
Swelter'd Venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot.
Double, double toile and trouble ;
Fire burn and Cauldron bubble.
Fillet of a Fenny Snake,
In the Cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of Newt, and Toe of Frogge,
Wool of Bat, and Tongue of Dogge,
Adder's Fork, and Blind-worm's Sting,
Lizard's leg, and Howlet's wing,
For a Charm of powerful trouble
Like a Hell-broth boil and bubble.
Double, double toyle and trouble,
Fire burn and Cauldron bubble.
Scale of Dragon, Tooth of Wolf,
Witches' Mummy, Maw and Gulf
Of the ravin'd salt Sea shark,
Root of Hemlock digg'd i' the dark,
Liver of Blaspheming Jew,
Gall of Goat, and Slips of Yew
Silver'd in the Moon's Eclipse,
Nose of Turk, and Tartar's lips,
Finger of Birth-strangled Babe
Ditch-deliver'd by a Drab,
Make the Gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a Tiger's Chaudron,
For the Ingredients of our Cauldron.
Cool it with a Baboon's blood,
Then the Charm is firm and good.
O! well done! I commend your pains,
And every one shall share i' the gains.
And now about the Cauldron sing,
Like Elves and Fairies in a Ring,
Enchanting all that you put in.
Black spirits and white, red spirits and gray;
Mingle, mingle, mingle, you that mingle may.
SSGToms
Connecticut, United States
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 12:49 PM UTC
Thank you Al for the Shakespeare recitation.
What Al is so eloquently eluding to is that Tamiya X-21 Flat Base is NOT A FLAT CLEAR COAT!
Many a modeler has ruined an otherwise finished model by spraying Tamiya X-21 Flat Base on their model. It is not a flat clear. It is a base to be added to gloss paints to make them flat.
Somewhere on the label Tamiya should warn this in big red letters but they don't.
I make flat clear by mixing 2 parts Tamiya X-21 Flat Base to 3 parts Future. It has always worked for me and dries dead flat. I shoot it with no thinning.
However, most guys are so spooked by Tamiya Flat Base that they steer far away from it and buy bottled flat clear. Pollyscale, Vallejo, and MM Acryl all make good acrylic flat clear coats.
What Al is so eloquently eluding to is that Tamiya X-21 Flat Base is NOT A FLAT CLEAR COAT!
Many a modeler has ruined an otherwise finished model by spraying Tamiya X-21 Flat Base on their model. It is not a flat clear. It is a base to be added to gloss paints to make them flat.
Somewhere on the label Tamiya should warn this in big red letters but they don't.
I make flat clear by mixing 2 parts Tamiya X-21 Flat Base to 3 parts Future. It has always worked for me and dries dead flat. I shoot it with no thinning.
However, most guys are so spooked by Tamiya Flat Base that they steer far away from it and buy bottled flat clear. Pollyscale, Vallejo, and MM Acryl all make good acrylic flat clear coats.
Cartyb
North Carolina, United States
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 01:16 PM UTC
Thanks Matt,
Being stationed overseas in a remote location my sources are limited. I am somewhat stuck with what I have on hand and what I can have sent via US Mail (They frown on paint). I have the flat and can probably find some future or the like around somewhere.
Carty
Being stationed overseas in a remote location my sources are limited. I am somewhat stuck with what I have on hand and what I can have sent via US Mail (They frown on paint). I have the flat and can probably find some future or the like around somewhere.
Carty
Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 02:19 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Thanks Matt,
Being stationed overseas in a remote location my sources are limited. I am somewhat stuck with what I have on hand and what I can have sent via US Mail (They frown on paint). I have the flat and can probably find some future or the like around somewhere.
Carty
I was going to suggest Floquil Flat, as it always dries dead flat and is really thin and doesn't gum up details, but if you are overseas and can't order it in, then never mind.
Paul