Charles Reading takes a look at the MG34 Tank Version Barrels from JB Model.eu in 1/35 scale.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 08:24 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 09:54 AM UTC
My understanding was this is the coaxial version, but the photo you presented in the review makes me question that assumption.
Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:12 AM UTC
I was also under that impression Bill. Charles if you E-mail JB models, the owner usually gets back to you very quickly and to date I have not had any problems understanding what he has written.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:20 AM UTC
Exactly, these are coaxial machine guns to be used in the gun mantlet, especially in Panzer IIIs (later versions) and IVs.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:49 AM UTC
Darren,
JB Models did indeed respond to my email very quickly. I'm not sure that he was understanding my question. Here is the text of my email:
A quick question concerning the Tank Version of the MG34 (35B38)
>
> Are these pieces intended to be glued directly to the Kugelblende aperture as a stand alone brass piece or are they intended to be attached to a portion of the original plastic barrel?
> I ask because they seem too short to stand alone but there are no instructions indicating that they be attached to a modified kit piece. I can not find any photographic evidence showing a short MG34 length (such as 35B38) protruding from a tank.
>
> Thank you,
> Charles
and his response:
Chello Charles,
those small barrels stick out from the tank armour, those are tank versions.
35B39 is a full barrel.
Best regards
Jerzy Bin
So I'm not really sure if he understood my question. I am sure that I have seen a barrel as JB Models has produced. I just can't find a photo now...and the only photos I was able to find appear to have a longer barrel. That's why I thought there may have been a specific tank or tank type that sported this (apparently) shorter barrel?
I was sure that once the review was posted someone in Armoramaland will have the answer.
Cheers,
Charles
JB Models did indeed respond to my email very quickly. I'm not sure that he was understanding my question. Here is the text of my email:
A quick question concerning the Tank Version of the MG34 (35B38)
>
> Are these pieces intended to be glued directly to the Kugelblende aperture as a stand alone brass piece or are they intended to be attached to a portion of the original plastic barrel?
> I ask because they seem too short to stand alone but there are no instructions indicating that they be attached to a modified kit piece. I can not find any photographic evidence showing a short MG34 length (such as 35B38) protruding from a tank.
>
> Thank you,
> Charles
and his response:
Chello Charles,
those small barrels stick out from the tank armour, those are tank versions.
35B39 is a full barrel.
Best regards
Jerzy Bin
So I'm not really sure if he understood my question. I am sure that I have seen a barrel as JB Models has produced. I just can't find a photo now...and the only photos I was able to find appear to have a longer barrel. That's why I thought there may have been a specific tank or tank type that sported this (apparently) shorter barrel?
I was sure that once the review was posted someone in Armoramaland will have the answer.
Cheers,
Charles
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:13 AM UTC
Just my question, but isn't RBModel the manufacturer of these?
http://www.rbmodel.com/picture.php?dir=35B38
http://www.rbmodel.com/picture.php?dir=35B38
Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:55 AM UTC
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Just my question, but isn't RBModel the manufacturer of these?
I suppose they could be. It's not uncommon for a store to buy in bulk and repackage items with their name. Or perhaps JB Models produces them and RB Models lists them on their website?
They both have a very common name (RB & JB Model) and product line ( Ships and Armor) that they may be related in some fashion? Perhaps same family?
Cheers,
Charles
Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 12:27 PM UTC
I believe RB Model is the manufacturer and they supply to various companies with JB being one distributer among others. I will say that JB Model have a lot of pluses as regards distribution around the globe on these products, and at a good price.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 12:58 PM UTC
yup, these look to be intended for the coax, mounted in the turret.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 02:30 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextJust my question, but isn't RBModel the manufacturer of these?
I suppose they could be. It's not uncommon for a store to buy in bulk and repackage items with their name. Or perhaps JB Models produces them and RB Models lists them on their website?
They both have a very common name (RB & JB Model) and product line ( Ships and Armor) that they may be related in some fashion? Perhaps same family?
Cheers,
Charles
RBModel is located in Poland, JBModel in Austria, and AFAIK JBModel is an online shop, and RBModel a producer which also has an online shop.
Add to that,the product number for these MG-34's is 35B38 at RBModel and RB35RB38 at JBModel. Seems to me, RBModel is the producer.
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 03:22 AM UTC
The lack of instructions with the JB products is one of the things that can often bedevil the unwary for sure! While these are the coaxial guns designed for the turret, they also have the full length barrels RB35B39 but these wouldn't fit the Kugelblende as they are the normal perforated jacket-type and not the armored version commonly found there. I'm guessing Charles that using that term is what may have added some confusion in terms of the answer you got back.
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 04:46 AM UTC
Please note that these particular barrels are not too short. They are for coaxial MGs for the tanks with armoured sleeves, from which only a very short length of the barrel was protruding. The barrels for the hull MGs are sold separately and are considerably longer. Cheers, bjo
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 05:39 AM UTC
On the beginning the jbmodel.eu shop was selling canons without the Jbmodel.eu packaging. It's few months after they started to do it. If you go to their site and you browse the canons by manufacturer on of the choices is RB MODEL (not jbmodel). I think (but I'm not sure any more) that there was a family connection between RB Model and JB Model but I can be wrong here. Anyway, Jerzy is a pole living in Austria (Wien) that could explain a bit a partnership between a polish manufacturer and an on-line shop owned by a pole. The reviews shouldn't be linked to the Jbmodel.eu brand of the producing company as even on on their site the producer is well defined. A note: " we thank jbmodel.eu for providing the review sample" should be added instead. IMHO the special packaging put the stress only on the shop's name and it's wrongly associated to the product producer.
my 3 cents
Pawel
EDIT: about the instructions, if I ever need instructions I just go to the armorscale website and download what I need. RB Model is the armorscale supplier and the products are almost identical or identical (depend on which model). Aber's instructions will also do the job.
my 3 cents
Pawel
EDIT: about the instructions, if I ever need instructions I just go to the armorscale website and download what I need. RB Model is the armorscale supplier and the products are almost identical or identical (depend on which model). Aber's instructions will also do the job.
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 06:39 AM UTC
All right, so these are coax-MGs.
Which are the proper armored barrel ones for the Kügelblende?
Which are the proper armored barrel ones for the Kügelblende?
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 08:34 AM UTC
Quoted Text
All right, so these are coax-MGs.
Which are the proper armored barrel ones for the Kügelblende?
JB/RB doesn't currently offer one. You'd have to go with Lion Marc or similar for that if you want a brass armored sleeve MG for the Kugelblende mounts.
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 09:01 AM UTC
yep - clearly coaxial MG barrel !