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Posted: Friday, December 25, 2009 - 05:52 AM UTC
Hello
I would like to make a M1117 like this on a picture.
Can somebody help me with my questions:
1) Is it US army or MP vehicle ?
2) What type of antennas is on a right side? Can I please about better picture?
3) When US units started to use M1117 with rhino? I want add soldiers but I don't known if after 2005 or before?
4) Can I buy somewhere those additional lamps in 1/35 scale?
Thank You for any help, Chris from Poland
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Posted: Friday, December 25, 2009 - 06:25 AM UTC
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2) What type of antennas is on a right side? Can I please about better picture?
Hi Chris
Can't help you with the type, but these antennas should be quite similar to those fitted to this Humvee :
Jeff De Rosa pics from PrimePortal (
http://www.primeportal.net/apc/jeff_derosa/m1117/index.php?Page=1 )
The mount used should look like this :
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Posted: Friday, December 25, 2009 - 07:08 AM UTC
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1) Is it US army or MP vehicle ?
The MPs are a branch of the U.S. Army.
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Posted: Saturday, December 26, 2009 - 03:01 AM UTC
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3) When US units started to use M1117 with rhino? I want add soldiers but I don't known if after 2005 or before?
Chris,
The introduction of the Rhino device started in the late 2006/early 2007 time frame. The M1117 are predominately a Military Police vehicle, but it would not surprise me is some were in the hands of other units that were tasked to escort convoys from Kuwait to Iraq as well as inside of Iraq itself.
John
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Posted: Saturday, December 26, 2009 - 03:23 AM UTC
Chris,the green antennas are the new low profile long range antennas introduced in early 2007, as a matter of fact the picture in your post looks very much like FOB Rustamiyah where I spent my 2006-2007 deployment. If that's the case, the ASV in the photo is from one of the MP Companies in the 759th MP Battalion out of Ft Carson Colorado.
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Posted: Saturday, December 26, 2009 - 03:28 AM UTC
Although I was not based on a FOB, that photo is one that I took during a short stint on "one of the FOB's" in Mosul. No idea who it belongs to though.
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Posted: Saturday, December 26, 2009 - 02:50 PM UTC
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3) When US units started to use M1117 with rhino? I want add soldiers but I don't known if after 2005 or before?
Chris,
The introduction of the Rhino device started in the late 2006/early 2007 time frame. The M1117 are predominately a Military Police vehicle, but it woudl not surprixe me is some were in the hands of other units that were tasked to escort convoys from Kuwait to Iraq as well as inside of Iraq itself.
John
ASV's were supposed to be just an MP asset, however they proved their utility as convoy escorts so other units, like FA and infantry units were assigned ASV's in Iraq. Many FA units that had them were guard units and were made into MP's for their deployments, like VT's TF REDLEG. They were an FA battalion that were converted to 31B's in a two week course for OIF in 05-06.
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 02:25 AM UTC
Steve,
I was aware of Fires Brigades and thier "alternate" jobs during the current fights but didn't want to mention them as I had no specifics on missions, equipment, etc. So rather than send someone down the wrong trail, seemed better not to mention it and leave it to someone more in the "know." I do remember hearing about the MLRS Battalon that was "converted" to 31Bs when I was over in OIF III.
Funny, working at Sill now, I am more in tune with what is going on in the Fires Community than the Maneuer crowd.
Good luck in the future, wink, wink, nod, nod... Shoot me a PM or e-mail (john.charvat1@AKO) once you get set as I will have a couple questions for you.
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 03:31 AM UTC
Hello Gents,
The M1117 pictures I took were either on Camp Striker or at the JSS at Yushifiya (excuse my spelling), and both were MP units. If I remember correctly (I get my deployments mixed up) it was a MP unit from the MP brigade out of Ft Hood.
The antenna is a COM 201 which replaced the OE 254 kit. The main advantage was it could be vehicle mounted and provide long range coverage.
As for the Rhino, I believe they came out in Iraq in 2006 in a standard form. There were some improvisations and variants before then though.
Hope that helps
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 01:13 PM UTC
Thank you for sharing the photos Frenchy. I don't know if someone has mentioned this before but can someone share what the dimensions are for those "Duke" antennas? I am planning to scratch-build one for my newly arrived Trumpeter's M1117 ASV. Thanks in advance!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 01:16 PM UTC
I posted the dimensions on here about a year and a half ago. I'm not the best at using the search function, nor do I have the inclination to right now, but with luck you should be able to find it.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 01:38 PM UTC
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I posted the dimensions on here about a year and a half ago. I'm not the best at using the search function, nor do I have the inclination to right now, but with luck you should be able to find it.
Shoot.. I can't find the posting..
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 01:47 PM UTC
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I posted the dimensions on here about a year and a half ago. I'm not the best at using the search function, nor do I have the inclination to right now, but with luck you should be able to find it.
Shoot.. I can't find the posting..
Don't think this is it but it might help you out...
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 03:09 PM UTC
Ok here is a drawing I tried to do with the dimensions for the Duke Antenna. I can't vow for its accuracy but it should be pretty close.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 03:24 PM UTC
Guys,
I will measure one of the M105D antennas at work and post the results either tomorrow or Thursday.
John
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 03:42 PM UTC
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Guys,
I will measure one of the M105D antennas at work and post the results either tomorrow or Thursday.
John
Awesome! Thanks John. And thanks Cory for the drawing also.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 03:46 PM UTC
Here is the drawing in 3D mode.
This is what it would look like if built out to the dimensions I used.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 03:50 PM UTC
I guess you can start on it tonight. I managed to find the old post after all... I took the measurement while in Iraq.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 04:53 PM UTC
From Robert's measurements, I am 1/8" off. My antenna is 1/8" too long. The diameter is correct.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 06:21 AM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 08:48 AM UTC
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From Robert's measurements, I am 1/8" off. My antenna is 1/8" too long. The diameter is correct.
Cool, build me one and I will get it from you this weekend...
John
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 09:31 AM UTC
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From Robert's measurements, I am 1/8" off. My antenna is 1/8" too long. The diameter is correct.
I'm curious where you got your measurements. At 41 inches, it should scale out well over an inch, at 1.17 (I use a ruler divided into tenths of an inch to make my math easier) making 15/16 too short, not too long. If you took them from the the Blast kit (pictured in the thread I cited) it shows theirs against the real thing, and even theirs look too short as well.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 09:55 AM UTC
Being the inquisitive guy that I am, I just made the following Duke measurements:
Legend (from their new M1114 kit) 1.25 inches -- a tad long, but can be trimmed to correct length
Cromwell (from their Cougar kit) 1.13 inches -- very close
Vajra (from their Buffalo kit) the closest at 1.19 inches -- still a tad long, but we're talking about .02 inches here...
Anyway, from photos, I'd say Blast looks to me to be too short. I'd be happy to be proven wrong if they want to send a sample for analysis,..
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:27 AM UTC
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Being the inquisitive guy that I am, I just made the following Duke measurements:
Legend (from their new M1114 kit) 1.25 inches -- a tad long, but can be trimmed to correct length
Cromwell (from their Cougar kit) 1.13 inches -- very close
Vajra (from their Buffalo kit) the closest at 1.19 inches -- still a tad long, but we're talking about .02 inches here...
Anyway, from photos, I'd say Blast looks to me to be too short. I'd be happy to be proven wrong if they want to send a sample for analysis,..
Robert,
Those measurements help a lot! Looks like my measurements were correct. For those metric system folks, here is the 1/35 scale dimensions:
0.33 cm for the antenna diameter
2.97 cm for antenna length
0.6 cm for bottom of antenna to flange
1.23 cm for portion under flange (not shown in mine)
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 11:10 AM UTC
To make the drawing I did I used an image of the the AFV Club Stryker Parts kit as a reference. I knew the measurement of one of the pieces on the sprue that had the Duke parts on it. So I used AutoCad to scale the image to the right size then drew the parts around the image of the Duke parts. It sized out just about perfectly. To convert the measurements you gave, I used a program called "Quick Scale". It is essential for some one doing scratch building. Check it out at :
http://www.quickscale.net/I just plugged in the measurements you gave and compared it to the drawing I did. My length was 1/8" off.
