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PzGrenBasd
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:24 PM UTC
Hi

I am looking for pictures of the LAV-M also has interior and stuff, because Maybe someone an idea where or what I think such a thing?

Basti
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Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 - 10:40 PM UTC
Hi this is my current project, a LAV-M for my mortar fire over the Iraq Diorama.

Right now I am so employs the detailed painting of the equipment to make. The old exhaust is still here to see in the pictures have been replaced by the new LAV SLEP Muffler.

I now just let the images speak for themselves time and you can then simply attach questions and criticism.

Greetings from Germany

Basti





























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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 12:42 PM UTC
Sebastian, greetings from Australia!
Dont know enough about the vehicle, but looking good so far. Keep the updates coming in.
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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 02:04 PM UTC
Looks good so far, however the spares you have are different than the Ones on the LAV. I am pretty sure that they wouldn't be able to use the new lower profile in conjuction with the older profile..


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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 04:02 PM UTC

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Looks good so far, however the spares you have are different than the Ones on the LAV. I am pretty sure that they wouldn't be able to use the new lower profile in conjuction with the older profile.



The tires on the vehicle and the spares are the same. Where he went wrong is he used the wheels from the ASLAV-25 on the vehicle. They should be the type he used for the spares.
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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 11:49 PM UTC
A good effort. It has some other issues though.

The interior color under the open mortar hatches in the rear area is off too. It should be either forest green or sand, depending on the vehicle. Only the driver's area is lighter, and it should be seafoam green, not white. The interior could also use some weathering to bring it to life. Right now it looks way too clean.

The lug nut bolts need to be drilled out on the wheels of the spares as well.

The (trim vain (swim plate on the bow) would not normally be extended. If it was, there would be hinge and support details that need to be added.

Legend makes a LAV SLEP exhaust in resin if you want to update it as well.

The external fixes are pretty easy. Don't know if you want to totally redo the interior. It depends on how accurate you want it to be.
TonyDz
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Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 - 08:41 AM UTC

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The interior color under the open mortar hatches in the rear area is off too. It should be either forest green or sand, depending on the vehicle. Only the driver's area is lighter, and it should be seafoam green, not white.



No, the interior on a LAV-M is Seafoam Green, even the area that is visable with the hatches open.


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The (trim vain (swim plate on the bow) would not normally be extended. If it was, there would be hinge and support details that need to be added.



The only detail that would show with it extended is a rod in the center that it slides up on.


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Legend makes a LAV SLEP exhaust in resin if you want to update it as well.



Yes, if it has the wider wheels it should have the SLEP exhaust cover.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 - 08:49 AM UTC

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The interior color under the open mortar hatches in the rear area is off too. It should be either forest green or sand, depending on the vehicle. Only the driver's area is lighter, and it should be seafoam green, not white.



No, the interior on a LAV-M is Seafoam Green, even the area that is visable with the hatches open.




I have seen some sand ones with a sand mortar area as well. Either way, it shouldn't be white.
PzGrenBasd
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 06:08 AM UTC
Good evening

First of all thank you for the extensive participation on my LAV.

Now I want to of course take this position.

The first sign of the surge I have so represented because I still want to tuck behind equipment.

Now for the color in the interior. Unfortunately I have not found many pictures on the Internet and in magazines. I have based on that picture.





This is the only picture I have from the interior. And because it's there when I know I have also been implemented.

I would now, but the hatches of mortar and make it as I have understood correctly?


Now for the tires are the wrong tires for the LAV-M?

I have pictures as have the LAV-M and the wide tires.









Based on these pictures I have built the model. Nioch very much I know. But maybe you can help me yes or Maybe even have a source where I can inform me.


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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 06:35 AM UTC

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Now for the color in the interior. Unfortunately I have not found many pictures on the Internet and in magazines. I have based on that picture.



That picture has been around for years. It's not even U.S. LAV-M, it's Saudi. The interior color should be seafoam green.


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Now for the tires are the wrong tires for the LAV-M?



As I said in my first post, nothing is wrong with the tires, you used the wrong wheels. The wheels on the vehicle should be the same type you used for the spares. Also, if you use the wider tires, you should use the newer exhaust cover, those are part of the SLEP upgrades.

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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 06:52 AM UTC
Here are 2 other pics partially showing the interior (and the Seafoam green color...) :


mortar weapons system

HTH

Frenchy
TonyDz
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 11:56 AM UTC
Here, maybe this helps.

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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 03:04 PM UTC
Just to clarify, Tony is talking about the rims and hubs, the metal part of the whole wheel. US SLEP hubs have an extra set of bolts holding the rim together. If the wheel is off the vehicle - like a spare, there will be a hole where the hub is (it stays attached to the vehicle usually) and the lug nuts will be off revealing the bolt holes.

Jim
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 06:56 PM UTC

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US SLEP hubs have an extra set of bolts holding the rim together. If the wheel is off the vehicle - like a spare, there will be a hole where the hub is (it stays attached to the vehicle usually) and the lug nuts will be off revealing the bolt holes.





HTH

Frenchy
TonyDz
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 09:08 PM UTC
Here, I'll try this.

This is the style wheel you have mounted on the vehicle. It is used ASLAVs and Bisons. It is wrong for an American LAV.



This is the style wheel you used on your spares. It is correct for a Marine LAV and is the type you should have used instead of the ones you did.

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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 09:47 PM UTC

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Here, I'll try this.

This is the style wheel you have mounted on the vehicle. It is used ASLAVs and Bisons. It is wrong for an American LAV.

This is the style wheel you used on your spares. It is correct for a Marine LAV and is the type you should have used instead of the ones you did.




Not not quite so Tony.
The Michelin XML with the standard hub is/was also used on USMC LAV's. Not just ASLAV and Bison.
The other one is part of the SLEP upgrade along with the new exhaust. The rim is basically the same as the older style of rim with an extra row of bolts (due to being a split rim, I believe) and it sits further forward of the hub.The hub has had no change at all. What Sebastian needs to do is only have one type of wheel on the LAV.

Cheers Jason
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 10:49 PM UTC
Hello, looking really nice, though, to me those back packs look way out of scale, I know they are a big pack, but put one up against a 1/35 scale figure, and you will see. Just an observation.
Other than that and what others have said about the wheels, very nice indeed, look forward to seeing the end result.
PzGrenBasd
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 11:24 PM UTC
Thanks for the little help to the wheel problem I can solve easily or have the right in the closet.

The LAV SLEP exhaust is already on it.

The interior color with the change I can not because it is already bonded.

Dust is also still pure, but only when I older the whole model.


@ Andrew

Yes that with a backpack I have noticed already but there has really only 1:35 scale model simply cut neatly beside it.

LG Basti
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2010 - 09:24 AM UTC

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The Michelin XML with the standard hub is/was also used on USMC LAV's. Not just ASLAV and Bison.



If you have some pictures to prove your point, I'd be more than happy to see them. I've yet to see a U.S.M.C. LAV with the wheels used on ASLAVs.
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Posted: Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 02:53 AM UTC
Tony,
Sorry looks like I have given the readers a bum steer. For the life of me I can not find the photo. It is even possible that I have mistaken the Australian trials USMC LAV-25 for it. I apologize .

Jason
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Posted: Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 10:20 AM UTC
The LAV-M looks great, I particularly like the cluttered look, especially inside, the Coke boxes just add to it, an all round good effort. I know many modellers have to have the details "just" right and get very hung up on that fact. But not everything is as it seems, I have driven a British Forces land rover that had two American tyres on the front and two Australian tyres on the back. I bet you can't find those specs on the internet! Build what you like and just enjoy your excellent work.
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 10:00 AM UTC
Great looking model and helpful feedback. Looking forward to more pictures, thanks for sharing.
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 05:21 AM UTC

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Tony,
Sorry looks like I have given the readers a bum steer. For the life of me I can not find the photo. It is even possible that I have mistaken the Australian trials USMC LAV-25 for it. I apologize .

Jason



I will way in here. I don't have pictures since I am once again working in the Sand Box. There were the original tires that fielded with the LAV to the LAV A1, these changed little during the LAV's life span. After the SLEP program completed the Army and a few other countries decided to go with a different tire Michelen XML Tires. With this chang in tires the existing manufacturer went out of buisness and the Marines were left with a limited amount of spares. When the Marine Corps decided to modifiy the exisiting LAVA1 into the LAVA2 configuration there was a change in the suspension which allowed the use of the XML tires. Many of the SLEP changes where undone or modified to bring the vehicle upto the A2 standard. Initially the modified LAVA1 was called the LAVA1 Retrofit, when the new built LAVA2's came off the production line the A2 designation was applied to all vehicles. The interior color of the LAV, LAVA1 and LAVA2 should be Seafoam Green. They leave our plant that way. In some cases during limited rebuild at the depots new components may be added that are white but these are only components commonly called (Line Replaceable Units).

Tanks
Andy
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