I'm pretty sure this question has been asked several times before but what A/M barrel (90mm) and track sets (T80E6/T84E1) are available for Italeri's M-47 Patton?
TIA,
P.N.
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M-47 Patton
hobo9
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 04:58 AM UTC
Hi,
I'm pretty sure this question has been asked several times before but what A/M barrel (90mm) and track sets (T80E6/T84E1) are available for Italeri's M-47 Patton?
TIA,
P.N.
I'm pretty sure this question has been asked several times before but what A/M barrel (90mm) and track sets (T80E6/T84E1) are available for Italeri's M-47 Patton?
TIA,
P.N.
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 05:14 AM UTC
AFV Club set #35037 :
Frenchy
Frenchy
TheGreatPumpkin
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 05:38 AM UTC
Stop the madness! Cyberhobby makes a set of T-80 tracks that will work. You are going to need 2 sets as the M26/46/47 family vehicles are longer. You will also need center guides. But this will be a whole lot easier than dealing with AFV club's dose of insanity.
Regards,
Georg
PS- Eduard make a PE set, but it's hard to find.
Regards,
Georg
PS- Eduard make a PE set, but it's hard to find.
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 05:39 AM UTC
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AFV Club set #35037 :
Frenchy
AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE!
They're horrible, with flimsy connecting pieces that break under the slightest pressure during assembly, and separate centre guide horns which are utter madness.
I had a set and gave up. Complete waste of time and money.
I've been pestering Friul to release a set, but so far they've ignored me. Maybe you could drop 'em a mail as well - and if enough of us pester them about it, they might just cave in!
So if the Man From Friul is reading this ....
- Steve
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 07:43 AM UTC
Something tells me that it was not such a good suggestion after all 
I stand corrected
Frenchy
I stand corrected
Frenchy
TonyDz
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 07:46 AM UTC
The AFV Club tracks are really your only after market option for the M47. Yes, they do require a certain amount of skill and patience to build, but when built up look really good. Here's a a really nice built up M47 with them. http://www.track-link.net/gallery/5061 While Georg's idea is do able, like he said, you have to source the center guides from some where else. The only option for that is to get them out of the DML M46, but then what do use for tracks on it? One other option is to get the DML Orange Box M26A1. It has a set of DS T80E1 tracks. Since DML always makes their DS tracks 2 shoes too long, they might fit the M47. Of course that won't help you if you want T84E1s, nor will Georg's idea.
You can't be ham fisted with them, it takes a certain touch. The main problem is getting the track shoes separated from the main sprue. I have a circular saw blade for my Dremal I use to cut them off with. Then I cut all the other pieces off, end connectors and center guides. Clean everything up and start putting them together. Once you get a rhythm going, they go together pretty quick. I put just a little white glue on the ends of the track shoes to hold the end connectors until I come back later and hit them with some Testors liquid glue. Not a big deal, just takes some thought and skill, but well worth the effort.
Not true, Frenchy, it was a good suggestion. You just had some whiners chime in. I've built up the T80 tracks for the Sherman and the T84E1 tracks for a M46. Like I said, while not the easiest set of tracks out there to build, they are well worth it once done.
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They're horrible, with flimsy connecting pieces that break under the slightest pressure during assembly, and separate centre guide horns which are utter madness.
You can't be ham fisted with them, it takes a certain touch. The main problem is getting the track shoes separated from the main sprue. I have a circular saw blade for my Dremal I use to cut them off with. Then I cut all the other pieces off, end connectors and center guides. Clean everything up and start putting them together. Once you get a rhythm going, they go together pretty quick. I put just a little white glue on the ends of the track shoes to hold the end connectors until I come back later and hit them with some Testors liquid glue. Not a big deal, just takes some thought and skill, but well worth the effort.
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Something tells me that it was not such a good suggestion after all
I stand corrected
Frenchy
Not true, Frenchy, it was a good suggestion. You just had some whiners chime in. I've built up the T80 tracks for the Sherman and the T84E1 tracks for a M46. Like I said, while not the easiest set of tracks out there to build, they are well worth it once done.
IDFPaul
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 01:42 PM UTC
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Not true, Frenchy, it was a good suggestion. You just had some whiners chime in. I've built up the T80 tracks for the Sherman and the T84E1 tracks for a M46. Like I said, while not the easiest set of tracks out there to build, they are well worth it once done.
I second this. The AFV Club tracks take time and patients but they turn out great.
hobo9
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Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 11:20 AM UTC
Gentlemen,
Thank you all for your replies and expert advice.
Regards,
P.N.
Thank you all for your replies and expert advice.
Regards,
P.N.
18Bravo
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Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 11:25 AM UTC
Not sure how the word "whiner" needs to creep its way into a "helpful thread" but here's another option if you that can save you from having to look for aftermarket tracks. Cut the guide horns off of the tracks where they go around the idler. It makes the track much easier to slip on, and while still stiff, you can get them on without breaking off any wheels. I do this on all Italeri track, and you won't see it once you have the track installed.
barkingdigger
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 12:14 AM UTC
One other trick with the old Italeri stiffies that worked on my first M47 is to fold them into loops (where the sprocket & idler would go) secured by a rubber band, and then leave them on the car dashboard for a week or two. The sun heats the car all day long, and it helps "set" the bends into the otherwise stiff tracks so they don't strain the axles. If you then leave the sprocket & idler loose until the tracks go on they should be fine.
Sadly, this doesn't work so well on their Shermans where the tracks are just too darned short...
Tom
Sadly, this doesn't work so well on their Shermans where the tracks are just too darned short...
Tom
TonyDz
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 12:54 AM UTC
If you don't have a week or two to kill, there is a lot quicker method. Dip the tracks in boiling water for about 5 seconds, wrap them around the idler and sprocket (you need to have the suspension built up) and they'll keep their shape. You''ll need to have the sprocket and idler lose so you can slide the tracks back off to connect them. Once everything is painted, you can slide it all back on. No need to disfigure the tracks.
I'm not sure how helpful it is to try to dissuade others from a really nice set of tracks because of their lack of skill.
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Not sure how the word "whiner" needs to creep its way into a "helpful thread"
I'm not sure how helpful it is to try to dissuade others from a really nice set of tracks because of their lack of skill.
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 01:45 AM UTC
Tony,
The hot water trick is good too! (Not having tried it on plastic parts I'd be tempted to wrap the tracks around some wooden dowel or old thread bobbins instead of the plastic sprockets for the actual dunking, in case the boiling water affected the plastic... Have you had success dunking kit sprockets & idlers like this with no ill effects?) --- Oops! Ignore the previous bit - I misread your post to suggest the tracks were dipped with sprockets in place, when your suggestion was to dip and then quickly wrap afterwards...
I haven't tried the AFV Club tracks myself, but agree with you that they look perfectly do-able if the kit tracks are found wanting, and each of us needs to make our own choices about what we feel happy to build - sometimes of late the "discussions" here in the forums have strayed across the line into agression (like those recent PMMS threads or the Herbert Ackerman ones...) and I for one don't like to see good folks throwing angry words instead of useful tips.
Tom
The hot water trick is good too! (Not having tried it on plastic parts I'd be tempted to wrap the tracks around some wooden dowel or old thread bobbins instead of the plastic sprockets for the actual dunking, in case the boiling water affected the plastic... Have you had success dunking kit sprockets & idlers like this with no ill effects?) --- Oops! Ignore the previous bit - I misread your post to suggest the tracks were dipped with sprockets in place, when your suggestion was to dip and then quickly wrap afterwards...
I haven't tried the AFV Club tracks myself, but agree with you that they look perfectly do-able if the kit tracks are found wanting, and each of us needs to make our own choices about what we feel happy to build - sometimes of late the "discussions" here in the forums have strayed across the line into agression (like those recent PMMS threads or the Herbert Ackerman ones...) and I for one don't like to see good folks throwing angry words instead of useful tips.
Tom
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 03:36 AM UTC
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I'm not sure how helpful it is to try to dissuade others from a really nice set of tracks because of their lack of skill.
Tony,
Thank you for your sage input, and for deigning to share your wisdom with such an unworthy, unskilled modeller as myself. I feel truly humbled to be in your virtual presence, and suitably put in my place.
After eating a large slice of humble pie as penance for even daring to offer up my own personal, experience-based opinion on what is quite obviously a truly superb product (how foolish of me to say otherwise), I shall now venture forth into the ether and seek out not just one but ten sets of AFV Club T84E1s, and shall eschew all other modelling activities until such time as I have mastered the art of assembling said tracks to perfection.
Only then will I consider myself worthy of sharing a forum with such a paragon of modelling wisdom, and breathing the same "virtual air" that you yourself have only just finished with. Only then will I consider myself to be no longer "lacking skill".
In the meantime, perhaps you'd be kind enough to post up some photos of your completed builds with AFVC T84E1s, so that us lesser modellers - us "whiners" who "lack skill" - can gaze in awe and wonderment at what I have no doubt must be stunning masterpieces that will both dedazzle us and at the same time show us what dizzy modelling heights we can at least aspire to, if only we can get those pesky "ham fists" of ours under control and master your "certain touch".
Now - where did I leave my hair shirt?
- Steve
TonyDz
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 06:44 AM UTC
Ok, I see how you work. It's fine for you to criticize others to the point of running them off the site, but don't let any criticism come your way. Those who can do, those who can't say AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE! Sorry, didn't know you were so sensitive.
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 07:21 AM UTC
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Ok, I see how you work. It's fine for you to criticize others to the point of running them off the site, but don't let any criticism come your way. Those who can do, those who can't say AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE! Sorry, didn't know you were so sensitive.
So - no photos of your own T84E1s then Tony? Pity that.
If distance wasn't an issue I'd say come on over and let's crack open a six-pack. Because you really don't know me all that well do you?! As a matter of fact, I'm quite happy to take constructive criticism from people who actually know what they're talking about. In fact I welcome it.
What gets my goat is blow-hards who come on here, don't share any of their own finished builds, but are very quick to slag off other posters' approach to the hobby for no good reason - as in "I build for accuracy, you lot just mindlessly assemble". Or indeed for not sharing their view about a particularly troublesome set of AM tracks (which by the way I've also seen panned in the modelling press and by modellers on the various forums, but hey - I guess they're all just "whiners" who "lack skill" as well, right?).
And as for the comment about me running Herbert off the site - well, that's just too silly to warrant a serious reply.
Anyway, must dash - I have some serious "skill deficiency" issues to address
. Toodle pip!- Steve
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 09:56 AM UTC
hobo9
In reply to your original question (and to get your thread back on topic), I just remembered that there's also a resin & PE aftermarket set for the M-47 from "Italian Kits", which includes a barrel and a nice-looking mantlet cover. Go here and scroll down to the 3rd item:
http://www.italiankits.it/italiankitsarmor.html
Hope that helps.
- Steve
In reply to your original question (and to get your thread back on topic), I just remembered that there's also a resin & PE aftermarket set for the M-47 from "Italian Kits", which includes a barrel and a nice-looking mantlet cover. Go here and scroll down to the 3rd item:
http://www.italiankits.it/italiankitsarmor.html
Hope that helps.
- Steve
IDFPaul
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 04:30 PM UTC
Well if its pics you want here are some of the set I just finished for my wip M-47. Not yet painted
Thanks for that link to the Italian tank site. I have never seen it before. They have some interesting stuff
Thanks for that link to the Italian tank site. I have never seen it before. They have some interesting stuff
Crossedrifles
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 07:36 AM UTC
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If you don't have a week or two to kill, there is a lot quicker method. Dip the tracks in boiling water for about 5 seconds, wrap them around the idler and sprocket (you need to have the suspension built up) and they'll keep their shape. You''ll need to have the sprocket and idler lose so you can slide the tracks back off to connect them. Once everything is painted, you can slide it all back on. No need to disfigure the tracks.Quoted TextNot sure how the word "whiner" needs to creep its way into a "helpful thread"
I'm not sure how helpful it is to try to dissuade others from a really nice set of tracks because of their lack of skill.
I don't think Robert mentioned lack of skill. Didn't he say it could help save him from looking for aftermarket tracks? I know Tony, making inferences from available information is a higher level thinking skill. You could infer he means save time, or money, or both. Of course you're too busy playing internet tough guy, like most passive aggressive types, to keep your asinine comments to yourself.
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 04:49 PM UTC
And this is why I don't spend much time here anymore.
TonyDz
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 08:38 PM UTC
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Of course you're too busy playing internet tough guy, like most passive aggressive types, to keep your asinine comments to yourself.
Quoting from your bio? Your usual lack of relevant content.
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keep your asinine comments to yourself
Learn it, know it, live it.
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 09:31 PM UTC
Nice job on those tracks Paul.
They are a bear but with time can be done.
They are a bear but with time can be done.
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