I have heard people saying that there is something wrong with DML new M1A1 AIM and A2 SEP 's rear,is it true?What is the problem if so?
Thanks a million.
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nooplwb
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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 10:19 PM UTC
Gents,
I have heard people saying that there is something wrong with DML new M1A1 AIM and A2 SEP 's rear,is it true?What is the problem if so?
Thanks a million.
I have heard people saying that there is something wrong with DML new M1A1 AIM and A2 SEP 's rear,is it true?What is the problem if so?
Thanks a million.
Vodnik
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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 11:01 PM UTC
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Gents,
I have heard people saying that there is something wrong with DML new M1A1 AIM and A2 SEP 's rear,is it true?What is the problem if so?
Thanks a million.
There was a small problem with the rear edge of the engine deck cover in early edition of M1A2 SEP (molding error resulted in a rectangular depression in the part that had to be filled in). It was corrected in later re-releases. That problem was not present in M1A1 AIM. I'm not aware of any other problems other than a little problematic fit of engine deck panels.
Pawel
sgtreef
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 12:15 AM UTC
Never knew about that Pawel
Somebody complained that the rear decks need sanding straight as to the mold process a slight bevel in the slide mold.
Other then that good to go.
Both are good kits.
But I think hard to find now lucky I got mine one right after the other.
Question could the mine plow be used from the Trumpeter kit and applied to the Aim?
And can the Sep be used with the latest Legends update with the tusk?
Sorry for the High jack
Somebody complained that the rear decks need sanding straight as to the mold process a slight bevel in the slide mold.
Other then that good to go.
Both are good kits.
But I think hard to find now lucky I got mine one right after the other.
Question could the mine plow be used from the Trumpeter kit and applied to the Aim?
And can the Sep be used with the latest Legends update with the tusk?
Sorry for the High jack
chnoone
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 12:49 AM UTC
Did have problems with a warped front armour plate of the lower hull, had to replace the whole section on my second SEP kit, first one was okay.
Possibly just a faulty batch.
The AIM seems to be of overall better quality, never had any problems with my 6 kits.
Jeff - affirmative on both of your inquiries,
Tusk 1+2 can go on SEP
Tusk 1 on AIM
Cheers
Christopher
Possibly just a faulty batch.
The AIM seems to be of overall better quality, never had any problems with my 6 kits.
Jeff - affirmative on both of your inquiries,
Tusk 1+2 can go on SEP
Tusk 1 on AIM
Cheers
Christopher
nooplwb
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 04:34 AM UTC
Gents,
I had a conversation with a guy in a local model shop this evening & he mentioned that the engines M1A1/A2 are using now in Iraq are a bigger kind than the originals for the sake of cooling....or something liked that therefore the rear configuration was in a different format...????
What is the deal???Any idea?Dont know if he was telling me stories...
Thanks in advance.
I had a conversation with a guy in a local model shop this evening & he mentioned that the engines M1A1/A2 are using now in Iraq are a bigger kind than the originals for the sake of cooling....or something liked that therefore the rear configuration was in a different format...????
What is the deal???Any idea?Dont know if he was telling me stories...
Thanks in advance.
Tankrider
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 05:58 AM UTC
Nope...
The M1A1AIMs and M1A2SEPS in theater both use the same engine, the AGT1500, that pushed the original M1. Same 70's gas guzzling, turbine technology. There was a plan to replace the AGT 1500 with an udated engine, the LV-100, in 2000-2001 but it did not get funded.
FWIW
John
The M1A1AIMs and M1A2SEPS in theater both use the same engine, the AGT1500, that pushed the original M1. Same 70's gas guzzling, turbine technology. There was a plan to replace the AGT 1500 with an udated engine, the LV-100, in 2000-2001 but it did not get funded.
FWIW
John
CMOT
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 08:05 AM UTC
The Trumpeter plow assembly fits the DML M1A1/A2 perfectly.
nooplwb
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 - 04:38 PM UTC
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Nope...
The M1A1AIMs and M1A2SEPS in theater both use the same engine, the AGT1500, that pushed the original M1. Same 70's gas guzzling, turbine technology. There was a plan to replace the AGT 1500 with an udated engine, the LV-100, in 2000-2001 but it did not get funded.
FWIW
John
Thanks John.
trickymissfit
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Posted: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 04:58 AM UTC
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Nope...
The M1A1AIMs and M1A2SEPS in theater both use the same engine, the AGT1500, that pushed the original M1. Same 70's gas guzzling, turbine technology. There was a plan to replace the AGT 1500 with an udated engine, the LV-100, in 2000-2001 but it did not get funded.
FWIW
John
we were doing dyno tests on a new M1 power pack about eight years ago (give or take a year and a half. The turbine was not a Lycoming in anyway shape or form. Looked like a cross between a Rolls Royce/Allison and a Garrett. Was about 3/4 the diameter and maybe as much as a foot shorter than the Lycoming. Those dyno pulls went on for close to a year (a normal pull is 25K hours). Then the tests were restarted sometime in the 2005-2006 era, but this time used two different gear boxes that were obviously made for an MBT tank. Also in the next test cell down from these two was an X1100-5 hooked up right behind a Cummins V16 deisel. I didn't pay a lot of attention to these, but just gave them each about a one minute look as I was headed to the next three cells.
gary
chnoone
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Posted: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 08:09 AM UTC
I am pretty sure that GDLS offers a MTU engine both the 1500 and 1600 hp to go with the M1, Turkey made that a major spec while considering the M1 a couple of years back.
Never understood why the military didn‘t switch to the more modern MTU engines during the AIM and SEP upgrades.
The French Leclerc also has a turbine, but their only export customer the UAE insisted on having an MTU engine instead.
Cheers
Christopher
Never understood why the military didn‘t switch to the more modern MTU engines during the AIM and SEP upgrades.
The French Leclerc also has a turbine, but their only export customer the UAE insisted on having an MTU engine instead.
Cheers
Christopher
trickymissfit
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Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 04:44 AM UTC
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I am pretty sure that GDLS offers a MTU engine both the 1500 and 1600 hp to go with the M1, Turkey made that a major spec while considering the M1 a couple of years back.
Never understood why the military didn‘t switch to the more modern MTU engines during the AIM and SEP upgrades.
The French Leclerc also has a turbine, but their only export customer the UAE insisted on having an MTU engine instead.
Cheers
Christopher
there's a zillion gas turbines to choose from, but if the MTU was that much better they'd have had one on the test stand at work. The brand of turbine means little to us, but whatever it be the rest of the drive train has to be calibrated to the engine. At one time they almost dropped the Lycoming altogether when they couldn't meet their delivery schedule. They had a series of AGT turbines on the dynos and actually assembled several powerpacks for tests out in Arizona. The turbines were basicly similar to what they put in helecopters. Just changing out the engine is not that simple. There's a step down gearbox built into the transmission that must be geared for the engine speeds. The same transmission setup for the deisel engines does a strait pass thru to the actual cross drive gearbox. Then there is the problem of just bolting up the turbine to the transmission. Even if the share the correct bolt pattern you still have to do a very accurate alignment due to excessive engine speeds. (we did ours at less than .0005" TIR)
gary
chnoone
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Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 08:34 AM UTC
Sorry should have been more specific, it is a diesel engine.
MTU stands for Maschinen +Turbinen Union it is the company that builds all the Leopard 2 etc. powerpacks, Multifuel Diesel engines, GDLS offers them in license.
The new Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle has the MTU MT883 Ka-523 diesel 12-cylinder diesel engine installed.
Cheers
Christopher
MTU stands for Maschinen +Turbinen Union it is the company that builds all the Leopard 2 etc. powerpacks, Multifuel Diesel engines, GDLS offers them in license.
The new Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle has the MTU MT883 Ka-523 diesel 12-cylinder diesel engine installed.
Cheers
Christopher
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Posted: Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 06:02 AM UTC
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Sorry should have been more specific, it is a diesel engine.
MTU stands for Maschinen +Turbinen Union it is the company that builds all the Leopard 2 etc. powerpacks, Multifuel Diesel engines, GDLS offers them in license.
The new Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle has the MTU MT883 Ka-523 diesel 12-cylinder diesel engine installed.
Cheers
Christopher
Deisel engines in heavy tanks are over with. They have basic design flaws that cannot be engineered away even though they still work well. Yet there are design flaws in the gas turbine technology as well. The one major advantage the turbine has over the deisel is shear weight. You take a pound out of the powerpack, and then you can add a pound of armor. The other advantage of the turbine is in it's torque curve. It's virtually flat and instantanious from zero RPM to max. This what a tank needs. Thus it becomes the perfect power source for a hydro steer setup. These plus a few other advantages make it the future. (how about an instant light up at 40 degrees below zero?)
Lycoming and Renk did a hand full of power packs that had close to the same horse power output of the turbine, and the engines sucked fuel at just about the same pace, and the life span of the engine was halved (not that it would have mattered much). Also a deisel engine has a tendency to be hard on transmissions, even if they are twelve or sixteen cylinders. Each one has advantages, and disadvantages
gary
nooplwb
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Posted: Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 04:49 PM UTC
Thank you Gentlemen for your valueable informations,highly appreciate.
Therefore the conclusion is:
There is nothing wrong with DML's A1 & A2.
Thanks again.
Bill
Therefore the conclusion is:
There is nothing wrong with DML's A1 & A2.
Thanks again.
Bill
majjanelson
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Posted: Friday, April 23, 2010 - 06:35 AM UTC
For some corrections to the DML M1A2 SEP kit you might want to review this article by Pawel "VODNIK" Krupowicz: M1A2SEP kit information page.
You might want to also review this build log: Dragon M1A2 SEP by Desmond Edwards.
This thread discusses the DML M1A1 AIM Kit some.Best Abrams? Itareli or Dragon.
Ihope this helps...
You might want to also review this build log: Dragon M1A2 SEP by Desmond Edwards.
This thread discusses the DML M1A1 AIM Kit some.Best Abrams? Itareli or Dragon.
Ihope this helps...
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