Wanted to get started onthe outline of this campaign. Here are the proposed rules:

1. anything in use in Oct. 1984 can be modeled OR we could say only things seen in the movie can be modeled. I prefer the first.

2. I would like to ENCOURAGE diorama's for this campaign, but not limit it to them. Also, I would like to have this include figures without vehicles if the builder so chooses.

3. While I want everyone to enjoy this, DON'T BECOME LIKE THIS GUY! (However, this site has some very good pictures for modern reference.) THE LINK http://www.thatcherthunders.org/ttruscom2.htm

as always, comments are encouraged, unless you are part of the lead force of the russian (really soviet, hey who are we kidding, they are all still pinko's) invasion to change the spelling to AMERIKA!

Jacques-

Sounds good to me!

Oct. '84...a scramble for old M1 kits is in the works perhaps. I would REALLY prefer we see the "unlimited" version of vehicle availablity- not just those seen in the movie. Would it be logical though to restrict it to only US & WP vehicles (and any strays the USSR's allies would have)?

If I remember right the movie takes place in Colorado- but am I correct in assuming that most of the Continental US was the Theater of Operations??

I'm looking forward to this one, but hoping the start date is after the completion of T2K.

Jim/ Jaster

That Soviet MLRS is hard core... Thanks for the link. Anywho, I am up for about anything. A T-80 sitting outside a Piggly Wiggly would make for a cool diorama.

Thanks for asking,

Shaun

I have not seen the movie for a little whiel now, I will hav eto dig it out, but this is what I remember:

There was a East coast and a west coast USA..the Rockies to the Mississippi were Red. Think Alaska to Mexico. Anyone who wants to do the Arctic Battles in Canada would be just as correct as doing a border thrust up into Arizona.

Also, they mention that the Chinese were on our side...ikplicating a war in asia as well. No mention of Naval or air/space stuff.

and I too look forward to putting a smoking hulk of a M60 in front of decadent american home of the Big Mec!

No, really, I am thinking more like a dio with a BMD by a roadsign to some South Dakota or Minnesota town...

Not for a milloin bucks would you get me to sit in a infantry fighting vehicle and get parachuted to the ground.... They gotta be nuts #:-) #:-)

I got the DVD, so just to refresh some memories about the movie...
1. Opening scene starts out with a high school being airdropped on by Reds, cars and school buses being blown up as the Wolverines escape in a big blue pickup.
2. After spending time in the forests they go back and find the mayors car painted in camo and Russian tanks rolling down Main Street.
3. They find their fathers in a concentration camp.
4. After escaping in the truck they mainly use horses afterwards.
5. They find a downed U.S. pilot and he joins them and then they go on some missions. Their fathers who were in camps where gunned down. They free some prisoners, blow up a MiG, crash through the gates with a truck and rescue the prisoners.
6. They go to the front where a winter tank battle is going on and they have a hand in taking out some Russian tanks, and giving away their position with smoke grenades.
7. Horses vs. helicopters (nuff said)
8. At the end there's a battle around railroad yards.
Remember that the Chinese had joined us after they had been nuked and Great Britain was being invaded too, but wasn't going to hold out long. They came in posing as charter planes and up from Mexico. The Cubans were helping them also. The Commies held the Rockies to the Mississippi River. They invaded because of bad crops, so they held all the Midwest states, which were the crop growing states. Some of the U.S. was nuked as well. My suggestion is to either buy, or rent the movie. The DVD only cost me $10 at Wal-Mart and is one of my favorites. Have fun, can't wait to see this when it's done

Sounds interesting can't wait to see some great dioramas of this.

Seems like a direct competition with the Twilight 2000 campaign. I don't think one campaign is more than marginally different from the other. One is based off of a movie, the other a role playing game. Both centered around a pseudo-WW3 ground war. Just about any kit that could be built for a Red Dawn campaign could be proper for a T2K campaign. Red Dawn is just more time/technology constrained (1980s only vs. 1980-future).

Sounds like Red Dawn would be a theater of operations in a T2K campaign.

Gots to agree with Sabot! The other difference besides time period constraint would be the fictional or heavily modified vehicles in T2K.

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While the 2 Campaigns are similar I don't see them as in competition with each other. That said they ARE BOTH FUTURE HISTORY events! Their is enough time between them (I think) and the fundamental sci-fi-esque element to T2K that they can run as completely different Campaigns.
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Both of them have a LOT of very interesting potential dioramas.

Hopefully I'll be able to do both- time permitting.

Jim/ Jaster

I think the thing that would distinguish between the two is the time period (1984 vs the late 1990's) and setting, Twilight 2000 was primarily based in Western Europe although it could reasonably be expanded to include Texas, Alaska, China and the Middle East. But basically yes they would be similar.

Welcome aboard Aaron. Actually, Twilght 2000 had a bunch of scenarios set in the United States. Airlords of the Ozarks, Urban Guerrilla, Howling Wilderness, etc. I do think Sabot is right, they could easily be joined into one Mega Campaign.

Shaun

Maybe the T2K and Red Dawn campaigns could be both put under a "World War III what if..." heading, since as Sabot has pointed out they are both so similar.

-Chris

Well, I think the main thrust of the campaign to begin with was a couple of things:

1. This would be come as you are...no sci-fi stuff. Sci-fi for this would be the M1A1, M1E1, M1IP etc... so they would not be available for builds.

2. No real field expedient stuff. Most of what was shown in the movie was fairly standard. No quad AAA guns on pickup trucks, etc.

3. Another thought was that unlike TW2K, Red Dawn had very limited Nuke use, so much that it was never discussed/observed beyond a couple of sentences. This means less destruction, more ability to have a functional 7-11 with a T-80 in front of it.

4. To kinda sum it up, TW2K is almost a post-apocalypse set-up...use what you can to survive, major govt.s and major military units are pretty much gone...kinda a worst case WWIII. Red Dawn is more of a conventional WWIII/Invasion USA with intact units and govt's.

Maybe it IS splitting hairs too much, but using Sabot as my example (thank you Rob, no need to be alarmed...yes, step over here) the Sgt. York or even his Sgt. Major York would not qualify here, but it does in TW2K, and I think that both setups should be allowed to go forward as-is.

Now, what do the rest of you think?

I don't think Red Dawn should be swallowed by T2K - and I never envisioned them running at the same time. T2K is already underway for the early builders (extensive conversions & scratchbuilds) - so adding Red Dawn in right now wouldn't be a good idea.

I see RD more of a 2004 Campaign - and perhaps something more like Invasion: Amerika circa 1984...

Gunnie

II have to agree with this assessment of the TWO Campaigns. It would muddy the waters to merge them now AND they have enough differences to make them SEPARATE!!

T2K has a low level Sci-Fi element to it. Post Apocolypse is a reasonable description (but I bet there would be some 7-11s left after a Nuke exchange:).

Red Dawn- a lower level of HELL ON EARTH.

I am fascinated by these “future history” scenarios...I plan to be on board for both of them.

Jim

One thing's for sure... I'm letting Red Dawn pass over me. I will expend ALL ENERGIES to the T2000 campaign (shall I sacrifice Barbarossa? hehehehe I am, after all, a Modern AFV fan), making another conversion for the Western Imperialistic Decadent Doggy side (based on the HEMTT fuel truck)

Re:T2k and RD, I have always thought that these are 2 separate campaigns with separate "parameters." I have in mind that RD would be less "sci-fi" than T2k, more conventional, involve civilian vehicles (think: a Ferrari Spider with a MILAN ATGM), and might be appropriate to class it as a campaign for BOTH Armor and Diorama themes.

If my memory serves me right (always an iffy proposition) both RD & T2K allow dioramas...

I hope so!

Jim

Yes - both campaigns allow dioramas. Yes - both campaigns are separate.

Gunnie

Aye, both are allowed. What I meant is that, in T2000, the subject to be "judged" (for lack of a better term) is the model itself, whilst in RD, a diorama would play a part in the overall package (assuming one does a diorama to show an RD scene - doing a T-80U would be ok, but one would wonder what is it doing in the RD campaign, but placing a T-80U with Soviet troops rampaging a McDonald's branch with the T-80U in the Drive-thru lane, would be an RD project). To contrast, a Jeep Cherokee with TOW, stand-alone build, i.e. not in a diorama, would also qualify as an RD subject.

Hey Gennady, Red Dawn would NOT really support a Jeep Cherokee with a TOW...tha is more TW2K. Red Dawn had the "marauders" on horseback, blowing up convoys and raiding town to "liberate" parents, food, etc... Just like what is going on in Chechnya, Iraq, the Balkans...

TW2K is more like Lebanon, Africa, and the Palestinian territories...use whatever you can get your hands on.

That said, I think that you can easily do a vehicle without doing a dioramam and still fit in. The RD campaign just lends itself more to the dio enthusiast and I personally hope it encourages others to actually give a dio a go!