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unknown 2" brass gun model needs an ID
collectableguy
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:13 PM UTC
I came across an unidentified brass model gun kit, it's 2" long, no markings, from mid-1980s anyone know who made it & what it is?? thanks
unknown brass gun model
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:27 PM UTC
looks like a US recoilless rifle, anti-armor weapon that took the place of the bazooka for a time

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.military-info.com/book/N05_R57/57RR%25201.GIF&imgrefurl=http://www.military-info.com/book/N05_R57/BK_R57.HTM&usg=__kfowChq1CMkBCKcUFeuUOfHaaeI=&h=636&w=1341&sz=19&hl=en&start=2&itbs=1&tbnid=AubvBsg_xJjgRM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DUS%2Brecoilless%2Brifles%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1

no idea who made the kit
Uruk-Hai
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:42 PM UTC
Could it be "Collectors Brass"?

http://www.rjproducts.com/

Check productlines.

Cheers
collectableguy
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:42 PM UTC
thanks for the reply. Only one of the tripod feet are hinged. What is the tiny bracket looking item? I can't figure out where it goes. On the real gun where would it be held for firing? I see nothing for that on this gun. What company could have made a kit like this in the mid-1980s, who would know? thanks
collectableguy
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:45 PM UTC
That looks like it might be the company, Collectors Brass. What exactly type of gun is this? It may be long out-of-production, thanks
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:56 PM UTC
Its a model of a 57mm T15 from the looks of it. The T15E13 was standardized as the M18.



The tripod that's included is the M1917 heavy machine gun tripod, used initially with the M1917 HMG. It was lated used for the M18 and 75mm M20 recoilless rifles.



Its interesting that this is a model of the prototype T15 series. The breach is the clearest identifier. That little bracket item is the tripod T&E device. You can see it supporting the rear of the weapon in the second picture.
collectableguy
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:57 PM UTC
cool, that's it, that's the gun!
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 01:02 PM UTC
with it being 2" long would this be 1/35th scale? Do you agree it probably out-of-production Collectors brass? thanks
Thatguy
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 01:11 PM UTC
Length overall for the T15E13 is 60". I'm not sure how that translates into model scales.
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 04:30 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Length overall for the T15E13 is 60". I'm not sure how that translates into model scales.



That's 1.71 inches, scaled to 1/35 scale.
Whiskey6
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 04:10 AM UTC
If you are considering using this in a diorama, the Vietnamese Rangers carried this weapon (without the tripod and T&E mechanism) into the bush in the summer of 1970. I used to have some pics, but they got swiped when I was on the hospital ship Sanctuary.

The Rangers carried the ammo for these guns in a pair of woven bamboo baskets suspended from bamboo poles carried over their shoulders. As I recall there were about 6 to 8 rounds of 57mm Rec Rifle ammo in their black cardboard containers in each basket.

I also talked last week with a U.S. Marine who was at the Chosen Resevoir in Korea. He said that they had the 57's with them there and used the tripod and T&E mechanisms, just as shown in the lower photo.

Semper Fi,
Dave
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