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M114
blaster76
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:18 AM UTC
I know it spent a short time in the inventory. I see one occasionally in a movie. Did anyone ever make a 35th scale kit of one? Non-resin!! Same thing with the old Gamma-Goat. The only place I've ever seen a Gama goat is in a ROCO package. Did Tamiya pop one of these out in the 70's?
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:51 AM UTC
No resin eh? Well, I think that you're out of luck unless you want to scratch one up in styrene. Accurate Armour makes what appears to be a beauty of one (actually two) in resin. I have seen one scratched up, but that was many years ago.

I don't think anyone has ever done a styrene kit of the Goat... could be wrong on that because I have seen pics of one in 1/35th scale, but I think that it was from scratch. Within the past few years too.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 12:07 PM UTC
IIRC, there was a vacuformed Gamma Goat. Long out of production.
Grasshopp12
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 12:21 PM UTC
There was a styrene Gamma Goat as well. I don't remember the scale or manufacturer, but I remember seeing it at a model show about a year and a half ago at one of the vendors.
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 11:21 AM UTC
I know you said no resin, but I can highly recommend the Accurate Armour resin M114 kit. Am well on the way to finishing a model of my own cav troop commander's vehicle, circa 1970.

Cavguy66
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 01:56 PM UTC
On a related note, if anyone needs some reference fotos of the 114, let me know what you want, and I should be able to get over to the one on the local Army Base on a weekend!!

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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 02:07 PM UTC
Howdy Jason,

O.K., I'll be the first to say it......

Sounds great Jason, please give us a complete walk-around, including high and low, plus interior shots both front to back & back to front. Don't forget to include examples of drivers compartment while you're in there, and once back outside also get close-ups of head/tail lights, vision ports, access hatches, exhaust ports, road wheels, hand rails, brackets, accessories, pintels, andddddd, DON'T forget the tracks!

Just kidding Jason......I'm sure anything you can come up with will be of great help to those of us who have shelled out the sheckles for an Accurate Armour kit of this somewhat dimunitive APC.
We all really appreciate the offer!

Regards,

Tread.

P.S. If you really want to see great examples of photo references of military vehicles, just visit Rob's motorpool gallery......the man is priceless!!
Sabot
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:15 PM UTC
What's our facination with failed designs? We tend to want to model the "also rans". One of my favorite tanks is the cancelled MBT70. I've also seen posts regarding the AH-56 Cheyenne and the Cadillac Gage Stingray recently. Just curious, can't figure it out myself. I spent $25 on the two-of-a-kind T-92 airborne light tank that never made it either.
m75
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:33 PM UTC
http://images.trafficmp.com/tmpad/content/expedia/expedia89.html

I had a web address for a guy that purchased a "down-range" M114 and completely renovated it, with in-progress photos to show the work I was using those pics as references for the AA kit (which I'll finish someday,,,,). The link above will give some information, but the renovation series of photos had complete INTERIOR shots as well.

I'll try the search again later this evening. Take the above and run with it for now!
m75
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:41 PM UTC
http://tired-iron.mounet.com/tirediron/m114A1.htm

This the site I mentioned with the renovation in-progress photos. It starts with a bare hull and is very similar to actually building a kit. Lots of detail, and quite a reference to use for the AA kit.

Like the Gas Company used to say,,, "Glad to be of service!"

Maybe this will the push I need to get that box off the shelf and onto the bench again!!
MLD
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 05:02 PM UTC
There is one out front of the Reserve deopt in Ludlow Vt, about 20 min from here.
It's missing the turret, so the plus side is you can climb in, the downside is the interior is pretty trashed as well.
I've got some pics I could scan. lemme know.

Mike
okievit
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2003 - 03:18 AM UTC
Jason,

I've got the AA M114A1/E1 kit, and would love to see a walk-around of the real thing!!!

Thanks in advance,

Cheers

Olaf
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2003 - 03:53 AM UTC
A belated welcome, Olaf. I must have missed your prior posts, but when I saw this one your name jumped out at me. Good to have you on board.
ptruhe
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:48 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I've got the AA M114A1/E1 kit, and would love to see a walk-around of the real thing!!!



Olaf,

I've got about 30 pictures of a M114 but no interior pics. I'll find a place to put them and post the link.

Paul
m75
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:53 AM UTC
http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&thold=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=84#81

Check on this review and comments from an earlier article on the AA M114.

Paul, check my link on the two previous messages for the interior info links. More than enough to help a good kit to the finish line!
okievit
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 02:36 AM UTC
Al, good to be here, thank you!

Paul, thanks in advance for posting the pics!

Cheers

Olaf
ptruhe
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 03:38 AM UTC
I've put the M114 pictures here:
http://flashpages.prodigy.net/ptruhe/armorref/m114/

They'll be up there for about a week.

Paul
m75
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 05:51 AM UTC
Paul,
got the pm's this morning. Sent numerous times apparently, or are there that many photos???

Jim
ptruhe
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 06:43 AM UTC
Sorry about the multiple pm's. The page refresh after the 'send' wasn't working correctly so I sent at least twice to make sure.

Paul
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Posted: Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:47 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I spent $25 on the two-of-a-kind T-92 airborne light tank that never made it either.



I'm still kicking myself for passing up a great deal on a T92 kit at a model show/contest a couple of years ago ($10 for one, IIRC?).

Next time I see one, I'm getting it!
okievit
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Posted: Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 11:23 AM UTC
Paul,

Thanks for posting the photos!

Cheers

Olaf
m75
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 09:40 AM UTC
Lots of references, but of course, not the one I need!

I'm really cruising on the AA M114, with about 75% completed, and need the assistance of the one person who can help (I hope you're reading this!!).

The instruction pamphlet from AA isn't as clear as it could be regarding the placement of particular parts. With the TC cupola hatch cover, how are the latches, catches, etc arranged? Paul posted tons of photos, but none have the 20mm turret. The tired-mountain site has great interior shots, but where do the fire extinguishers (fixed and portable) go?

I'm having a small problem getting the driver's hatch to lay in the open locked position, as the drivers periscopes are inhibiting the placement of the hatch.

And the not-too-future task of getting the segmented tracks in place has me scratching my head. I tried the hot water method, trying to wrap a segment around the drive sprocket, but there wasn't enough flex and the segment broke. This was without schieveing the desired result of the piece wrapping the sprocket. Any other practical ideas?

Jim
ptruhe
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 06:12 AM UTC
Jim,

If the track is anything like what I had to work with for the FV432 then you shouldn't have too much to bend. I ran the top segment to just over the top of the sprocket and used individual links around the front of the sprocket and then tied in another segment. I used either flame or an oven burner to bend the track. I don't think boiling water gets it hot enough.

Paul
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