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PANZER I Ausf. A, Late type (Poland).
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Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 01:27 AM UTC
Hello everybody,

Recently I've started a Panzer I A Late project.

It's a Tristar 1/35 scale product.

Besides the kit's PE parts, I've added some 'home made' stuff too.

A stage in the building process :



These are the colors I used to compose the Panzer Grey for the lower and upper hull (Revell Aqua Acrylic Colors) :



I've prepared 5 tones of grey, 2 darker versions of the Panzer Grau, and 2 lighter ones, this is an impression of the first effects :

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A couple of sessions later, this was the result :







My first turret markings, using the hair spray method, later removed :



The real thing, please note the undamaged cross marking (the rest of it is completely messed up) :



An ultramarine/white oil paint filter (the dots you know) later, it looked like this (the crosses are more like it should be now) :





Guy.
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Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:02 AM UTC
Guy,
The little guy looks great I hope your not going to make it look destroyed like 1 in the picture. I think that would be a shame, just my two cents, but It looks great.
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Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:39 AM UTC
Why would it be grey?

David
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Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:03 AM UTC
GREAT LOOKIN' Panzer!

I love those panzer I tanks- have several, including that Tristar kit- even actually built a couple!

Now, I think I share David's question this thread... Why grey?

There has been a couple of great discussions on the colour-schemes used on early-war German tanks. The growing consensus among both historically-minded types and modellers is at least open to the idea that most Poland-campaign vehicles (OK- armor for pretty sure and softies- maybe) were painted brown-on-grey (1:2 ratio). See various current and recent pubs, including Concord series stuff, etc. as well as Jentz.. for reference to this.

Hey! Please forgive me, I am NOT trying to bust your chops or anything! Your tank looks GREAT in its grey incarnation! I am only passing on that you could, if interested, plausibly do a brown-on-grey for Polish-era machines!

BonG looks pretty cool and different, in my opine.

I posted a pic in of my Panzer IA derivative in BonG in the "what did you build in 2009" thread in Modelling in General forum, if you might like a recent punt in this scheme!

Again, Your tank is really GREAT! I love it!
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Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:47 AM UTC
Regardless of the last post can you tell us how you got the results in your preshade?
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Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 10:08 PM UTC
Well, I would not worry.
The contrast between the grey and brown was very low, and weathering made it worse.
With some of these tanks, you'd have to wipe it with a wet cloth to actually see the colours.

David

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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 04:47 AM UTC
So I guess it's time for one of my typical dumb Grumpy questions.

First nice looking model Guy.
and now the question:

Since it is now widely accepted the the brown/gray was the camouflage for Poland and France, what was the camouflage for the Spanish Civil War?
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 07:06 AM UTC
Looking very good

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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 08:54 AM UTC

Quoted Text

what was the camouflage for the Spanish Civil War?



Hard-edged 3 colour scheme. Golden brown, dark brown, mid green.

David
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 12:27 PM UTC

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Guy,
The little guy looks great I hope your not going to make it look destroyed like 1 in the picture. I think that would be a shame, just my two cents, but It looks great.



Oh no, I'm not going to make it look destroyed. This is the way I want to show it. Thank you for your positive reply !

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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 12:30 PM UTC

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Why would it be grey?

David



Hello David, the Panzer 534 was painted in panzer grey, without a spectacular camo on it.

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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 12:47 PM UTC

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GREAT LOOKIN' Panzer!

I love those panzer I tanks- have several, including that Tristar kit- even actually built a couple!

Now, I think I share David's question this thread... Why grey?

There has been a couple of great discussions on the colour-schemes used on early-war German tanks. The growing consensus among both historically-minded types and modellers is at least open to the idea that most Poland-campaign vehicles (OK- armor for pretty sure and softies- maybe) were painted brown-on-grey (1:2 ratio). See various current and recent pubs, including Concord series stuff, etc. as well as Jentz.. for reference to this.

Hey! Please forgive me, I am NOT trying to bust your chops or anything! Your tank looks GREAT in its grey incarnation! I am only passing on that you could, if interested, plausibly do a brown-on-grey for Polish-era machines!

BonG looks pretty cool and different, in my opine.

I posted a pic in of my Panzer IA derivative in BonG in the "what did you build in 2009" thread in Modelling in General forum, if you might like a recent punt in this scheme!

Again, Your tank is really GREAT! I love it!



Thank you for the compliments ! About my choice to go for a grey version : grey is only grey so my goal was to make it attractive by using five different tones of grey.

1) a very dark, almost black panzer grey (black added),

2) a dark panzer grey,

3) panzer grey,

4) a light panzer grey (white added),

5) a very light panzer grey.

I started working from dark to light, so the first coating was done by mixture number 1.

Then I used paint number 2, to make the horizontal areas a bit lighter...

I will buy more Panzer I kits for I want to make camo versions too. My next one will be a brown grey tank.





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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 12:57 PM UTC

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Regardless of the last post can you tell us how you got the results in your preshade?



Hello James, I built up the paint layers from very dark to very light panzer grey, localising shadows and brighter areas.

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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 12:59 PM UTC

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Well, I would not worry.
The contrast between the grey and brown was very low, and weathering made it worse.
With some of these tanks, you'd have to wipe it with a wet cloth to actually see the colours.

David




Ok David, I'll do the best I can !
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 01:01 PM UTC

Quoted Text

So I guess it's time for one of my typical dumb Grumpy questions.

First nice looking model Guy.
and now the question:

Since it is now widely accepted the the brown/gray was the camouflage for Poland and France, what was the camouflage for the Spanish Civil War?



I don't have a clue my friend. But David came with the answer I believe.

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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 01:47 PM UTC
GUY:

5 shades of grey and "making it look attractive"...

You SURE DID, IMHO!

Your shading/contra-shading is pretty finely done and shows off the beast quite well. I am strongly considering the approach you used and described for a panzer IA derivative I am now wrapping up OOTB - the Dragon Flak-panzer auf IA kit- This vehicle was evidently typically painted all grey, and I think it could come out pretty sharp done-up with your "scheme"!

I certes look forward to seeing what comes next in your IA series!

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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 02:28 PM UTC
David--- Thank you.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 08:52 AM UTC
Hello friends,

The washes are in progress, here's an impression :

Before :



In the middle of the wash stage :





I hope you like it until now ?

Cheers ! G.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 09:13 AM UTC
Guy, very nice work. I mean no disrespect, however, when I say that an all-gray AFV is inaccurate for Case White (the attack on Poland). You can see quite a bit of discussion about it on this thread.

I don't want to push the matter, because many modelers are unable to accept the downfall of long-held beliefs about Panzer colors. Others can't see the two-tone camo on the surviving photos, either in B&W or in color. There is a variety of reasons for this, and I won't bore you with them. Suffice it to say that during Case White, the German armor, softskins and artillery were painted in overall gray with 1/3 dark brown.

As David points out, weathering and dirt make it hard to tell, even on a model (see my example below).



The B&W version of the photo has had the contrast turned waaaay down like with period camera lenses.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 10:30 AM UTC
Dear Bill, I want to thank you for the panzer colors during Fall White. This is very important information for future projects with Poland era Panzers involved ! So this is a great help my friend.
However, this Panzer I A was more like a study project to me. My goal here, is to create a living and attractive panzer grey vehicle, with modulation style approach.
I have tried to paint the light by building up the paint from dark to light to show more dimensions.
I am very sure that a 1/3 camo would have been more attractive but I do not want to go back and change my plans for it.
I will buy another dwarf panzer I in another Poland version and finish it the way it should be (1/3 camo).

You are right, the wartime photos show only vague camo schemes. I have respected the instructions of Tristar and they made me think I was doing the right thing, d|:(mn|:(!

Thanks for showing your own Panzer, it turned out great !

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Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 10:54 AM UTC
Oh Guy my friend! I've almost missed this one. You've absolutely mastered the light and shadow effect on it. I've looked at it very long time to study all the Color range you've made.

Congrats!

Alex,
ps:talk to you soon.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 07:03 PM UTC

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Oh Guy my friend! I've almost missed this one. You've absolutely mastered the light and shadow effect on it. I've looked at it very long time to study all the Color range you've made.

Congrats!

Alex,
ps:talk to you soon.



Hello Alex, this way of painting the tank was fun and it made it come to live almost instantly.

Thank you for your opinion.

Cheers Guy.

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Posted: Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 06:06 PM UTC

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Since it is now widely accepted the the brown/gray was the camouflage for Poland and France, what was the camouflage for the Spanish Civil War?



Some of them definitely arrived in Spain in the pre-war Reichswehr three-tone scheme (as you would expect).

It's possible (although the evidence is not conclusive) that some later vehicles arrived in the two-tone grey and brown scheme.

There appears to be evidence that after they arrived that some, at least, were repainted, but how many were repainted, and whether they were repainted according to a set scheme or just some local field job, is (so far as I'm aware) unknown. There is colour film of one vehicle that appears to be a sort of cream-and-grey scheme, but the film quality isn't high to begin with, and how accurately it is showing the colours is highly debatable. About the only thing you can say is that it seems quite unlike any known German scheme of the period.

After the SCW was over, it appears that the remaining vehicles (which remained in Spanish service) were repainted in some very dark single-tone scheme, either a dark grey or a dark green.

That's about all I've been able to discover, I'm afraid.
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Posted: Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 11:39 PM UTC
The exaust pipes were painted to simulate a burnt paint / rusty look.



The wooden parts were finished :



Next : the wheels.
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Posted: Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 06:24 AM UTC
Here's a small sunday evening update.

The wheels were done and a first wash was added :



The deck with the exausts completed :



The cork with all the parts waiting to be assembled :



Hastalapasta ! G.
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