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ASLAV Bar Armour
jasmils
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Posted: Friday, June 04, 2010 - 02:38 AM UTC
G'day All,
I was hoping to have this finished by the end of next week for the Melbourne Model Show, but, no joy. It took a hell of a lot longer to get to this stage than I fist thought.
This is the first test cast of the Right Hand Side Full Bar Armour Package for the ASLAV-25. There are 5 other moulds to yet to be done (not including the Turret, see more below) and then I have to assemble it and then test fit it to the kit. The original Bar that I scratch built is very fragile and did not survive the mould making process. But this cast set is great. It has even flown across the bench with no damage.

As you can see in the picture, the “Slats and Box Frame” are one piece. I decided to go this way to make it easier on me for one, but to also make it easier to cast and cheaper to produce (if I decide to go that way).

As for the Turret (ACM35851), I may at some stage do the same thing and do away with the photoetch. But the problem is that I still have a few sets in stock.

Anyway, questions, queries or comments?

Cheers Jason



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Posted: Friday, June 04, 2010 - 02:46 PM UTC
It looks great and you have done a terrific job of engineering the casting.

This will be another great product for an ASLAV build.
AngryDog
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Posted: Friday, June 04, 2010 - 02:53 PM UTC
Hi Jason,
that looks very very promising! Looks like you achieved what a lot of folks are hoping for..to do away with photoetch Slat.
Only 1 question..it sure looks close enough but are the thickness accurate?
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Posted: Friday, June 04, 2010 - 03:00 PM UTC
Yes seriously jason, this way seems much easier than PE and you should have a HUGE market for those looking to do slat rather in any medium other than PE.
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Posted: Friday, June 04, 2010 - 08:05 PM UTC
Wow,
that's a really fine piece of job Jason ! Cutting the part from the sprue will require some attention I guess but this will spare time compared to assembling PE parts.

Olivier
jasmils
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Posted: Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 05:22 PM UTC
Thanks for the comments team.
It is much appreciated.

Nick, the thickness is within acceptable limits I think. The photo is not the best. The box frame and vertical slats are 0.25mm thick and the Evergreen bar is 0.50mm.
The Evergreen rod will be supplied with the kit.
I should have the other test moulds done by the end of this week.

Cheers Jason
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Posted: Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 05:43 PM UTC
nice work mate keep it up
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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 - 10:03 AM UTC
Jas,

Looks fantastic. Definitely going to hold off on the ASLAV-25 build until I get myself a set of these.

Cheers

Toby
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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 - 10:31 AM UTC

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Jas,

Looks fantastic. Definitely going to hold off on the ASLAV-25 build until I get myself a set of these.

Cheers

Toby



Toby my thoughts exactly
specmod
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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 - 10:38 AM UTC
Gidday Jason, this is fantastic news mate, to see a product like this come out, you have come up with a easy to do solution, which im sure all will appreciate. Will be keeping an eye out for this when it hits the market. Keep up the great work.

Cheers Andrew
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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 - 10:51 AM UTC
Jason,
This is great. I can't wait to get one of these. Fantastic idea and I think you will have a huge market.
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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 - 10:56 AM UTC
Jase
Looks sick, will go perfectly with me ASLAV..whenever i start it
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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 04:47 AM UTC
The more aussie LAV add ons the better. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 05:09 AM UTC
Forgive my ignorance.. will this be available commercially? If so, where will it be sold?

It would be great to have a resin slat kit.. a LOT easier than working with those PE slat sets.

Cheers
Hisham
jasmils
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Posted: Friday, July 09, 2010 - 04:25 PM UTC

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Forgive my ignorance.. will this be available commercially? If so, where will it be sold?

It would be great to have a resin slat kit.. a LOT easier than working with those PE slat sets.

Cheers
Hisham



At this stage no, it won’t be a commercially available kit.


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Only 1 question..it sure looks close enough but are the thickness accurate?




After a second and third look, I think you may be right Nick.
The problem is using Evergreen for the rod. The smallest they produce is .5mm. However that in it’s self is a problem. I have 100 (give or take) sets for the rod and all, and I mean every single piece varies from .68mm to .34mm. So there is no consistency.
Fishing line looks great but wont hold onto the resin. Copper wire, it works but once you add the wire to the slats and then cut the part from the sprue, the whole thing curls up to the extent that the tube supports from the hull to the BA wont line up and the panel has a banana shape to it that wont pull out (as does the fishiong line). The other option is to use brass rod. This works very well but the cost factor then comes into play. Over 30+ lengths are need to complete the kit. Not including the turret!!!!
Any ideas team???????? Short of casting the bar in place.

Cheers Jason
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Posted: Friday, July 09, 2010 - 04:34 PM UTC
gee dang!! i just want one.!!! hehe
AngryDog
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Posted: Friday, July 09, 2010 - 05:38 PM UTC

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After a second and third look, I think you may be right Nick.
The problem is using Evergreen for the rod. The smallest they produce is .5mm. However that in it’s self is a problem. I have 100 (give or take) sets for the rod and all, and I mean every single piece varies from .68mm to .34mm. So there is no consistency.
Fishing line looks great but wont hold onto the resin. Copper wire, it works but once you add the wire to the slats and then cut the part from the sprue, the whole thing curls up to the extent that the tube supports from the hull to the BA wont line up and the panel has a banana shape to it that wont pull out (as does the fishiong line). The other option is to use brass rod. This works very well but the cost factor then comes into play. Over 30+ lengths are need to complete the kit. Not including the turret!!!!
Any ideas team???????? Short of casting the bar in place.

Cheers Jason



Jason, I would hate to be right..I'm looking forward to this Slat set as well..

Forget about fishing line, nor would I go for brass rod--as each cut off edge would be hard to file square-off. And I would think that if I'd have to use brass rods, then I would prefer to stick with metal/photoetch slats..so I can solder the whole damn thing.

So...Actually the smallest styrene rod is 0.3mm and 0.4mm made by Plastruct. 10 pieces per pack, each approx 25.7 cm long. They are your best option.
I believe you can get wholesale price from the manufacturer, since you'd be buying in bulk. http://www.plastruct.com

I use these rods myself and they're indeed the regular plastic stuff..so gluing them to resin or metal via superglue or gatorglue will be no issue.
Using plastic rods will also help make this kit more friendly, since we can slightly "melt" the plastic with Tamiya Extra Thin Cement (green cap) while already positioned at the resin or metal slats's location..the softened plastic will hold to the slat just enough for us to later drop some superglue to fix them in place. Saves a lot of fumbling around right...?

I think that if those resin Slats you cast is close to the thickness of the real things (but not real accurate)..then using the thinner 0.3 or 0.4mm plastic rods would give a more realistic overall representation and thus help you get away with the resin slat inaccuracy.....???

Another thought would be getting the "flat" strips cut by those companies who cut sheet styrene. I don't know the cutting tolerances.. But I think it is possible since I had experimented with this idea for some personal projects locally.. I think it's a matter of whether the companies are willing or not to work with you with this.
There are alot but I can only remember these guys at the moment http://www.masterpiecemodels.com/

Hope I'm clear..?

Goodluck!
jasmils
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Posted: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 02:12 AM UTC

G'day Nick,
Thanks for the response mate. I am going to find some Plastruct and re do the bar armour. The casting side of the project is not that hard. The original parts for the vertical slats were done in PE. I can cast thinner if need but the .25mm is close enough. In scale it should be .28. So I’m not that far off. I like to try to do everything in house, which at times can be (as you would know) a pain in the back side.
I think after I try the Plastuct I will reassess the project.
Here is a quick photo of the Bar Armour. Same photo that is on Ray’s thread about his ASLAV.
Cheers Jason


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Posted: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 02:32 AM UTC
Good day Jason,

Ray's ASLAV link? Please send.
OK Now with this photo -- Your Slat looks SUPERB!!! .25mm is really thin and looks great! Doubt you need to go any thinner as it may be more fragile to handle for some of us builders..

Just get those plastruct rods and I think your slats would be as perfect as we can hope for, a real winner. I'm sure fellows are going to start pestering you to do Stryker Slats.

PS:Agreed with you about keeping as much "In-house"

Looking forward to your release.
jasmils
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Posted: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 02:58 AM UTC
G'day again Nick,
You seem to be up late as well.
Ray's ASLAV build
Thanks for the kind words. It makes all the difference.
Sorry but I have no interest in Stryker Slat sets. I only do Australian or Australian orientated. Bar Armour is bad enough!!!! I'm getting a bit sick of the ASLAV family (2 more to go)and can not wait to go back to M113's.

Here are two photo's of the car I'm basing the build on. The C/C was my Troop Leader at one stage of my service.Chris was the best boss of a Troop I have ever known. Great guy.

Cheers Jason

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Posted: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 09:48 AM UTC

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G'day Nick,
Thanks for the response mate. I am going to find some Plastruct and re do the bar armour. The casting side of the project is not that hard. The original parts for the vertical slats were done in PE. I can cast thinner if need but the .25mm is close enough. In scale it should be .28. So I’m not that far off. I like to try to do everything in house, which at times can be (as you would know) a pain in the back side.
I think after I try the Plastuct I will reassess the project.
Here is a quick photo of the Bar Armour. Same photo that is on Ray’s thread about his ASLAV.
Cheers Jason





JEEBUS!

You're a FREAK Jase - i was wondering why youve been quiet as of late - now I know the reason why!

Well done, cant wait to see this finished!

SD
jasmils
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Posted: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 03:26 PM UTC
WWWHHOOO. My Plastruct 0.15" rod has arrived.
Watch this space for an update in the next few days.

Cheers Sam.



Jason
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Posted: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 03:44 PM UTC

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WWWHHOOO. My Plastruct 0.15" rod has arrived.
Watch this space for an update in the next few days.

Cheers Sam.



Jason



When might this be available?
jasmils
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Posted: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 04:16 PM UTC
G'day Sean,
To be honest mate it is still in the testing phase. I have a show to cast for in the next couple of weeks and a new kit (more to follow) coming out as well. But in between those jobs I will be working on this BA job.
I decided I will bring this one out but as a limited edition all in one. Meaning you get everything, the full BA, wheels, figures, stowage, conversion and the plastic kit will be inluded.

Cheers Jason
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Posted: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 04:20 PM UTC
One Please.
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