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1/35 Black Eagle conversion & scratch turret
OFaolain
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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 12:15 PM UTC
Hello guys,

At the urging of Roy Kinsella here is my Black Eagle project that I hope to re-start work on and get going as a build blog.
I'm pretty happy with the general shape of the hull (or hulls, 2 DML T-80s measured, cut and joined) and the detail added has improved them somewhat.
I'm very happy with how the scratch-built/sculpted turret turned out, the drawings from Mono Steel Art were a big help!

Measuring, re-measuring, re-re-measuring, and measuring again , the 2 T-80 hull and superstructure halves are cut

The 2 halves after being joined, and some plastic surgery with skif T-80 parts and Evergreen

The start of the turret planning, sketching and mock up, then the frame work is built up

Most of the Framework for the turret is in place, the angles are very unusual in this turret, and none too easy!

Fleshing out the turret 'skeleton' with putty

Same with the underneath of the turret, note DML turret ring

Upper turret starting to take shape, but lots still to do

Turret refining, the edging around the turret front edges will be filed back, and the main gun housing is started, this had the wrong angle and height and will be changed as you will see. Note the hull side skirts, these also had to be lengthened, many cuts and trial fittings were necessary to get them straight and matching the hull!

The turret and hull being test fitted, silly I know but I got great enjoyment how it was already looking at this early stage!

Cutting the many many pieces necessary for the scratch built active defense launchers that would mount to the turret sides similar to Luigi Cuccaro's

I had to tear off the armour plates I had laboriously fitted to the Turret front, as I had fitted them as single lengths, as in Luigi Cuccaro's build, but you tube footage showed they were many overlapping pieces! Many bolts and retaining plates had to be fashioned, some are seen here affixed, and awaiting use

The turret and hull so far, I wasn't ready for how much work was involved in scratch building, and got a shock to say the least, constant chopping and changing and re-doing of parts! I have just finished using putty to fill all the marks, scratches and gaps left by the intensive build. Am very happy so far I must say!

After much planning and sketching of my ideas for the engine deck for my Modern Paper Panzer, I started construction. With little or no shots of the original prototypes decks, coming up with a possible future deck wasn't easy. As you can see it's a heavily modified T80UD deck as per the originals lineage. A lot of scratchbuilding / detailing has been done with plasticard, DML and SKIF T80 parts, a couple of etch sets and copious filler to fill the many gaps in the DML kit which is a bit of a dog to be honest!


I have also heavily modified and detailed up a bit the rear external fuel tanks, and am still in 2 minds about the plasticard mounting brackets, and may axe these and mount them directly to the modified rear fender tail light units?

Here's the Eduard detailed Unditching Log mounts, way superior to the kit parts (which almost all border on the toy like at times to be honest) and though very time consuming and fiddly, are well worth it! Might leave the log off so as not to hide them? Note the amount of filler required on this kit, in placesI need to fill the original kit to kit parts more than I do my own scratch to kit parts? Not good!

This is where I am so far as I get back into the project. I am definitely going to change the engine deck layout based on some more pics I have found. As a prototype tank I guess I have a lot of freedom? Any ideas or comments very welcome. Hope to get stuck back into this project as it's a shame to leave it unfinished!
Cheers,
Glen
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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 06:18 PM UTC
Wow, the actual result looks very good and clean built!
I only saw some photos from the Blackeagle tank, but no drawings.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 08:53 PM UTC
Ok I know this is a stuped question but is the Blackegle a prototype T-80 ???
sosek00
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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 09:10 PM UTC
Fantastic work!
David, Black Eagle (Чёрный Орёл) is a prototype of a new Russian tank, based on T-80.

Greetings, Lucas
krasnov
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 01:32 AM UTC
Hi

Nice work, but you are using the diesel engine part of T-80UD and the blackeagle use gas turbine of T-80U maybe you can repair that before continue the work, just check it

regards
dvarettoni
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 02:43 AM UTC
thanks the build is incredible can't way to see it finshed
Gundam-Mecha
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 08:21 AM UTC
This is looking great! Have you seen the T-84 build over on Tracklink?

I agree with Raul though, you may want to double check the engine deck. Most of my pictures don't show this area so I'm not sure what the layout is exactly, but it's not diesel.

The turret looks fanatastic by the way!
OFaolain
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 11:03 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Thank you for the kind comments and encouragement.
Yes, as I said in the last paragraph I am definitely thinking of changing the engine deck.
I have no other T-80 hulls of different shape but I have several SPDesign T-80 hulls with different engine decks. I hope to use one of these for donor parts? It's decks look more like the little that can be seen of the Black eagle deck? See below:

What do you guys think? All help and comments much appreciated guys!
Glen
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 12:33 PM UTC
Hi

yep the engine area is similar to T-80U theres no visible changes.

regards
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 01:38 PM UTC
Ok, just to set things a little straight:

The Obj 640 Oriol or "Black Eagle" was a new turret system on two different hulls.

1. Turret added to standard T-80U tank.

2. Turret with 140mm gun added to stretched T-80U that had one more roadwheel station added.

The turret has also been made available, seperately, for other tank upgrades. No buyers as of yet.

Fumbledbitz
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 02:11 PM UTC
I don't know if this will help, but there is a 1:35 "card" model freely available that seems to offer the layout of the engine decks, etc. The download link (3.13MB) is:

http://depositfiles.com/en/files/n71rpejhx

Keith

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Posted: Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 12:23 AM UTC
Well Glen I came in late to this thread, I've been busy the past few days

I'm delighted you started this project, your handy work with the plastic card is just as talented as your figure sculpting skills!!

I'll be following this very very closely indeed, I might even learn a little about his monster along the way

keep up the good work bud!
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Posted: Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 12:48 AM UTC
Excellent build so far. I hope you keep going with this. It has to be one of the most challenging scratch builds as there are so few references but so far it looks spot on.
OFaolain
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Posted: Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 06:03 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Wow, the actual result looks very good and clean built!
I only saw some photos from the Blackeagle tank, but no drawings.

greetings...
Soeren



Hi Soeren,

Thanks for the comments mate.
The drawings provided by Luigi Cuccaro in the Mono Steel Art book were invaluable.
I can scan and send a set if you like?
Cheers,
Glen
OFaolain
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Posted: Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 06:07 AM UTC
Hi Jon,

Yep, as said, defo changing the engine deck mate.

Following your own build currently also, am a fan of SP Design stuff! Your build is very helpful, keep up the good work!

Glen
OFaolain
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Posted: Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 06:09 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi

yep the engine area is similar to T-80U theres no visible changes.

regards



Hi mate,

Thanks for the input, all very much appreciated!

Glen
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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2010 - 07:56 AM UTC
Glen,
Don't know the subject but the techniques and workmanship are excellent.
Be carefull scratchbuilding/converting is dangerously addictive !!

regards
OFaolain
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 05:05 AM UTC
Hi Mecanix,

Thanks for the positive waves!

Yes it get's addictive certainly, barely started one project and your thinking of the next!

Cheers,
Glen

P.S Mate, fabulous SISU scratchbuild, very inspiring project!
zapper
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 12:32 PM UTC
Howdy Glen,

Glad to see you reporting for duty here at Armorama.
Really nice work you've done there, mate. Looking forward to see the completed model live in October .

BTW: You got mail...

Cheers,
/E
Luty
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 07:46 AM UTC
Ok Glen.
Just see the photos and drawings (click to zoom)
http://www.milrus.com/sv/o640.shtml
http://army.lv/ru/cherniy-orel/foto/631/11#info
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/caleidoscope/tank_061.jpg
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_640.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/640/640.htm
And the photos of model from unknown modeller








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