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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Daerah Istimewa Yogyakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 02:14 AM UTC
Hi guys..
After took a long break for new born baby, I'm back to my workbench and finished my Tiger.
The kit is from Tamiya, and I added some detail with Voyager update set. I replaced the gun barrel with RB Model gun barrel and replaced vynil track with AFV workable track.
Weathering was done with oil paints and finished it with weathering pigmen
Any comment are welcome




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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 02:25 AM UTC
Congratulations on the new addition to the family!

Very nice! Would like to see some more photos. Also, kudos for NOT putting Libya Summer 1942 DAK shorts and shirtsleeves crew figures in your Tiger. Tunisia is a more temperate climate and the Tigers were deployed there during the 1942 ~ '43 winter, which was one of the coldest on record there. Drives me nuts to see modelers modeling Tunisian theater models and dioramas with those types of figures as it's not supported by the photo record.

And speaking of your figures, what are they? I would like to get them.
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 03:02 AM UTC
Hi Chris,

Although not much into tanks I really like what you have done here! Excellent painting and weathering!

Rob
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 03:39 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Congratulations on the new addition to the family!

Very nice! Would like to see some more photos. Also, kudos for NOT putting Libya Summer 1942 DAK shorts and shirtsleeves crew figures in your Tiger. Tunisia is a more temperate climate and the Tigers were deployed there during the 1942 ~ '43 winter, which was one of the coldest on record there. Drives me nuts to see modelers modeling Tunisian theater models and dioramas with those types of figures as it's not supported by the photo record.

And speaking of your figures, what are they? I would like to get them.



Thanks for comment.
Actually I was confused about the DAK uniform. Some of color reference are olive green, and the others uniform are sand color. So I decided to follow tamiya's boxart color.
The commander figure is from the kit and the other one from dml
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 03:43 AM UTC

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Hi Chris,

Although not much into tanks I really like what you have done here! Excellent painting and weathering!

Rob



Thanks Rob
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 06:23 AM UTC
Congratulations about the new baby, they sure grow up fast!!
Don't worry about the uniforms. They were in all shades of tan and faded reed green due to the sun bleaching them. Great job on the Tiger and figures.
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 07:40 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 07:49 AM UTC

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Congratulations about the new baby, they sure grow up fast!!
Don't worry about the uniforms. They were in all shades of tan and faded reed green due to the sun bleaching them. Great job on the Tiger and figures.



With all due respect, keep in mind that the winter in Tunisia in which the Tigers were deployed was often cold, overcast and rainy. It was not like a Rat Patrol TV show episode with sun baking and bleaching uniforms. There was little opportunity for the uniforms to be bleached by the sun and again, the photographic record of 501 and 504 crews does not support this notion. Also, the deployments were relatively short before surrender. We should consider that too.

That just said, I am sure someone will spend the next three hours googling 501 and 504 photos to find that one crew member who donned a bleached cap. But still, we should remember that any exception does not disprove the rule.

Photos show that crews had both field grey and tan uniforms, so it leaves that much open as to how one would like to proceed. That said, personally, I would check photos of 121 for details of the crew uniforms. They're out there.
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 08:15 AM UTC
Wow...seems you have good reference george.
Thanks a lot for the information.
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 09:15 AM UTC
The Restayn book, Tiger I on the Western Front does have several photos of 121. This vehicle has a distinct oil stain on the front of the hull and is also characterized by a second tool box affixed to the starboard rear mud guard.

Looking at the photos, one photo of 121 illustrates a crew member in what appears to be a lighter tan uniform. The other photos of 121 illustrate a crew with dark uniforms.

And sure enough, there IS a photo of a Tiger with two crew members with bleached feldmutze. These are so bleached that this must have been intentional. According to the Osprey Elite Series 34 Afrikakorps 1941-43:

The olive color of the cap quickly faded in the strong desert sun. Many soldiers deliberately bleached their headgear as a faded cap was the prestigious mark of the veteran campaigner, and a dark cap the mark of a 'new boy'.

Interestingly, the caps contrast quite a bit with the uniforms in shade, the uniforms being much darker. My belief is that such caps on the Tiger crew were almost certainly an affectation.

I will add that the 501 photos do illustrate a lot of crew quite bundled up against the elements. Examination of photos of Italian, US, British and French soldiers show a lot of the same. It was NOT like Libya Summer 1942, but many modelers persist with this in spite of the photo evidence to the contrary.

But then again, hey, it's your model!
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 09:37 AM UTC
I'll add that I just found a 504 photo in the Restayn book that illustrates a Tiger with two crew members in long pants and with shirts removed. The photo is attributed to Tunisia, possibly February 1943, but appears (to me at least) as being from the same series as the photo on the opposing page, which is attributed to a Tiger on Sicily.

The photos have the same credit. What's more is that the vegetation appears very similar in both photos, almost identical. I believe it possible that the "Tunisia" Tiger photo was actually taken in Sicily during the summer of 1943.

Anyway, thanks for the additional photos! Keep 'em coming!
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Posted: Friday, July 23, 2010 - 07:10 AM UTC
Thanks george. That's very usefull information, so I know where did I go wrong. I'd love to hear many input to improve my model

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Posted: Friday, July 23, 2010 - 09:04 AM UTC
On page 11, Restayn says the second toolbox "must have come from a recovery".
Well, that's not so. It's not a Tiger track toolbox; it's just a box.

David
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Posted: Friday, July 23, 2010 - 09:40 AM UTC
A thread in which someone built 121. He includes the box attached to the rear mudguard:

http://hyperscale.com/features/2002/tigerigc_1.htm

A photo of 121 in this thread (scroll down):

http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/thread/1265769448/Tiger+112+of+s.Pz.+Abt+501+ready+for+Paint
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Posted: Friday, July 23, 2010 - 09:55 AM UTC

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A thread in which someone built 121. He includes the box attached to the rear mudguard:

http://hyperscale.com/features/2002/tigerigc_1.htm



Nice work. He fixed the front hull edges, which is an error in the Tamiya kit.
But he installed 6 cleaning-rod segments; the tank had only 5.


David
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Posted: Friday, July 23, 2010 - 11:30 AM UTC
Well done kitty Chris. Thanks for positing.
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