Hi all....I've found in my models boxes an academy m113a2+eduard Pe set ......I've seen various photos around the net about m-113 but I haven't found what I'm looking for....
I need,if it is possible and if it is tested ,photos of m-113 with lav turret or m2a2 turret.
I know that there are similar variant like m92 FNMK or the Ypr,or sla zsu modified apc/ifv...
Was mine combination tested?!?or is it a pure sci-fi?!
Regards
Ciro Riccio

I've seen photos of both an M113 with a LAV-25 and a Bradley Turret (the latter without TOW launcher).
I don't know if these were trials vehicles or manufacturer demonstrators.

I've seen so many pictures of M113s with various turrets mounted yue could probably mount just about any (90mm or less) turret on one and not be 'SciFi'.

Egyptian version is called EIFV that has a bradley turret but I don't know much...it is a demonstrator,I need to find more images...
hey,thanks for the input!
:-)
Ciro

OPFOR M113's have been fitted with some sort of modified Bradley turret at the US Army National Training Centre to mimic BMP-2's.

Check this thread out and scroll down to see an example:

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?topic=18699.60

The EIFV is built on a lengthened M113A4 hull that has and extra road wheel and is 3 feet longer. And yes, it was only a demonstrator.



There have been no M113s in US service (with the exception of the NTC VISMODS) that had a turret.

The OSV, or OPFOR Surrogate Vehicle, is an M113A3 with a modified Bradley turret used to replicated the BMP-2 at the NTC. The turret is operational, but the vehicle is for training only and not for combat. It's been in use for over a decade, definitely not science fiction, but not a true combat vehicle.

OK.....eifv looks like a cool model,the problem is that I don't remember if there are on the market some m113a4 like Gino says mmmm.
Osv ,on the other hand means more skills to replicate the whole structure and to modify the bradley turret that,in the eifv is the same that is mounted over the bradley.
M2a2 turret was tested over other vehicle?!
Why EIFV use a m113a4 chassis and not the other ones?!is there a particular reason?!
Cheers
Ciro

The EIFV was a prototype vehicle built to fill a requirement by the Egyptian Army. The manufacturer, BAE Systems, chose the M113A4 (also called an MTVL) chasis as it is trying to sell that version. There are a bunch of M113A4 version that have been bought by a few countries. Canada is probably the biggest user of M113A4-based vehicles. The US decided not to buy the A4 and to just upgrade their M113A3s since the M113 is mainly a support vehicle in the US Army.

There is no model of an M113A4/MTVL. It can be made pretty easy by cutting and combining 2 M113 hulls though.

I don't know of the M2 bradley turret being used on any other chassis.

Hi Ciro

At least a variant of the Turkish-built ACV-S has been fitted with a Bradley turret (without the TOW launcher) . The main weapon can be a 25mm or a 30mm gun.







HTH

Frenchy

The Turkish-built ACV-S looks pretty good. It is also built on an M113A4/MTVL chassis though. You would need to cut and combine two of the AFV Club NATO AIFV models along with the Bradley turret to build it.

Turkish IFV looks pretty good,also afv club donor kit is avaible....thank you guys,this is an intersting topic.
Frenchy do you know if there are specif links to that version?!I want to know if I need to do modifications.
In the camo ifv turret looks without rear basket while in the last one it's visible...maybe the last one is of a prototype or the contrary...
Thank you all for the replies
Cheers

Ciro

The camo ACV-S has the original M2A0 turret basket as found on the original Tamiya and Academy M2/M3 kits. The green one has the larger turret basket that was added to the M2A1 and later versions that can be found in the Tamiya and Academy M2A2 kits. The older one is still in the newer M2A2 kits as a not used part as well.

So...if I'm not wrong AFv club NATO AIFV + Tamiya m2a2 ifv(not the ods version) is what I need to do an ACV-S...with these I'll be able to realize the "green version"

hey I've found this....

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?36395-Interesting-Russian-Turkish-cooperation-(BMP-3-ACV-S)

is in the middle of the page an m113 with 25mm bushmaster turret?!any help?!

Cheers
Ciro

Ciro
You'll find some specs for the ACV-S on the manufacturer 's website (FNSS) :
http://www.fnss.com.tr/v1.6/content.php?content=44


Frenchy

If you mean this one, I bet it was a one-off prototype made to compete with the Bradley when they were being trialled before purchasing. It looks to be an M113A2 w/external fuel tanks under a LAV-25 turret.




Here is another neat option. A BMP 1/2 with Bradley turret in 3-tone NATO camo.




The kits and parts you describe sound like they would get you the ACV-S. It looks like the turret is without the post-ODS mods in the M2A2 ODS kits. The older, plain M2A2 should work fine.

Gino
The turret in the BMP picture rather looks like a LAV-25 one to me...

Here's another one :


Frenchy

thank you Frenchy!!I get it
Gino,yes,the one that you have described....I'm agree with you about the modified BMP.
So now I've several options...I need to study some models and relative configuration to get all the things to start the model.

Your pic is definitely a LAV-25 turret. The one I posted looks different and more like a Bradley turret to me. The side looks angled and not rounded as the LAV-25 turret. Also the portion of the mantlet that moves with the gun looks like a Bradley turret.

just a related question:
is there a kit with a m2a0 turret?!or I can use the tamiya m2a2 with some modifications?!
if I need to do some modifications....can you list them!?or can you give me some indications to previuos topic or models or articles?!?

Ciro

Ciro
Both Tamiya M2 kit :


and its Academy (cheap) copy :

include a M2A0 turret.

Gino
My opinion was based on the co-ax MG location : on the Bradley turret, it sits higher on the mantlet (and the pictured armored sights look very similar...).
LAV-25 turret :


Bradley :


Frenchy

Humm.....from what I can see from a fast research these kit aren't in stock in the major shops in Italy,so I need to go abroad....
Frenchy,I noted that 2a0 version hasn't the rear basket while the other ones have different style.
Is this the only difference or there are dimensional differences or in shape of components or device?!
How I can backdate a tamiya m2a2 ifv?!?!

Cheers
Ciro

You may be right Frenchy. That area is a little obscured by the exhaust smoke.

Ciro, The only difference between the M2A0 turret and the later M2A2 turret is the larger turret basket on the A2. The smaller basket is also in the Tamiya M2A2 and M2A2 ODS kits. The M2A2 and M2A2 ODS kits also give you some new armor panels and new doors for the gunners sight. Leave these off and add the old sight doors for a basic M2A0 turret.

The Tamiya M2 instructions can be found here as a reference, but it is easy to build. Also, the Academy M2/M3 kit is often found on eBay at a pretty cheap price.

Just a suggestion but for an operational M113 with a turret, there's the Cdn TLAV