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Wolfe
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2010 - 12:34 PM UTC
I was just cruising around on eBay and noticed the seller kaveri2000 selling several printed sets bearing a striking resembelence to Real Model and other companies printed sets. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220649930554 I know with my items (water cases, energy drinks, MREs and food items) were given away for free, and I really can't complain, this eBayer is outright stealing others work for his profit. I've reported his auction to eBay to be removed. Let's see what happens....stay tuned.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 06:45 AM UTC
I agree with Jaun. Where is the thievery?
I can pretty much guarantee that the soda boxes were originally designed by me and offered for free on here in MAR '05. I know I sent them, water bottle boxes, C-Rat and MRE box files to many people on here and some of them are the ones both Trumpeter and Real Model use. Am I upset about it, no. I don't own a copyright on them. I see it as a resourceful garage company offering a product to those who don't want to print them for themselves (which is quite easy to do). No harm, no foul.
Relax and get over it. If you don't like it, don't buy them.
I can pretty much guarantee that the soda boxes were originally designed by me and offered for free on here in MAR '05. I know I sent them, water bottle boxes, C-Rat and MRE box files to many people on here and some of them are the ones both Trumpeter and Real Model use. Am I upset about it, no. I don't own a copyright on them. I see it as a resourceful garage company offering a product to those who don't want to print them for themselves (which is quite easy to do). No harm, no foul.
Relax and get over it. If you don't like it, don't buy them.
Epi
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 06:45 AM UTC
I believe if the item wasn't labeled "Garage Kit" and some how credit is given to Real Models, than maybe it would be ok. I agree with Wolfe though,
And I believe that most of the soda boxes on this item belongs to Gino(HeavyArty). I say this because I have the origanal file that Gino gave me.
EDIT: Never mind, Gino replied while i was typing. I guess just give credit where credit is due! I'll shut up now!
And I believe that most of the soda boxes on this item belongs to Gino(HeavyArty). I say this because I have the origanal file that Gino gave me.
EDIT: Never mind, Gino replied while i was typing. I guess just give credit where credit is due! I'll shut up now!
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 06:49 AM UTC
Gino, while the designer, does not "own" the designs.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 06:56 AM UTC
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Gino, while the designer, does not "own" the designs.
Like I said above, I don't have a copyright on them or anything. So be it.
Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 06:57 AM UTC
Gino,
I just caught this thread and wanted to follow the link in your feature to download the cases, but it no longer works. Would you by any chance be willing to make them available again for those of us who missed them first time round?
Tom
I just caught this thread and wanted to follow the link in your feature to download the cases, but it no longer works. Would you by any chance be willing to make them available again for those of us who missed them first time round?
Tom
Herchealer
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:04 AM UTC
Why do you think GIno would let you have them for free now? He could sell them like someone else is. LOL, all kidding aside I am sure he will hook you up if he still has them around. He has never been a greedy one.
Herky
Herky
alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:15 AM UTC
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I do not understand anything at all: where is the theft?
GARAGE KIT is a Spanish brand that markets its products as well as others.
Real Model and perhaps other companies have the exclusive world of selling laser photocopies of cases of water, Coke, Pepsi or whatever?: GARAGE KIT perhaps because it is a Spanish brand makes it "suspicious".
I also see in resin Internet accessory of striking resemblance commercialized by other marks; taken care of when we spoke of robbery and of thieves because there are more examples and they are not of Spain.
This is unbelievable!
JC.
Juan
As far as I can see you are the only person making any reference to Spain in this matter. It has nothing to do with where the product is being sold from and this discussion is in no way a slight against Spain or its people in anyway. Your seeing something that doesn't exist.
Alan
Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 08:04 AM UTC
Herky, how right you are! The kindness I find here on Armorama restores my faith in humanity. (Then I go to work where they manage to destroy it all again... )
Tom
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meaty_hellhound
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 08:36 AM UTC
i have been in the same situation as Gino. i made some maps that were period pieces and tactical topographic maps for ww2 which i found as public domain art in a historical archive. i took the small amount of time to whip them into some cool printout sheets and sent them out to anyone who asked... for free.
i don't care if someone now charges for them, they're not "impossible" to create and i did my portion of the work to help others... not to make $8.77 a month extra income.
and no, unfortunately i don't have the files anymore, they are on a dead computer and i have used them once too often and need to make new versions or all my scenes will have the guys holding the same map mh
i don't care if someone now charges for them, they're not "impossible" to create and i did my portion of the work to help others... not to make $8.77 a month extra income.
and no, unfortunately i don't have the files anymore, they are on a dead computer and i have used them once too often and need to make new versions or all my scenes will have the guys holding the same map mh
Wolfe
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 09:08 AM UTC
As I mentioned in my original post, I have no complaint against someone using my items. I created them and sent out many copies to all that asked for a set. If another person wishes to use them for a few dollars, so be it. I have no copyright on the items. My reason for reporting the auction was for the other items that were from established companies. I originally saw this being similar to other auctions for unauthorized copies of resin figures. If it turns out that the auctions are not in violation, I'll apologize to the seller and update the outcome here as well.
afv_rob
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 09:24 AM UTC
I can see the worry with these because they certainly look very similar to Real Models prints, however it does have to be said that the designer of some of Real Models printables, Marcelo (cant remember his surname) did offer most of his printables for free on this website before Real Model started marketing them, so anyone who got hold of those could easily make copies and sell them. At the end of the day as well, no one has any permission to use the brand logos on these-so in that sense everyone is committing a copyright offence.
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 06:16 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I can see the worry with these because they certainly look very similar to Real Models prints, however it does have to be said that the designer of some of Real Models printables, Marcelo (cant remember his surname) did offer most of his printables for free on this website before Real Model started marketing them, so anyone who got hold of those could easily make copies and sell them.
It was Marcelo Ribeiro, a.k.a. Urutu :
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/83290&page=1
Frenchy
minimanfactory
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:06 PM UTC
It sarts to be more interesting that the releaseers of these items had a right to use the logos and names just like Coca Cola ???
jimbrae
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 10:09 PM UTC
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I can pretty much guarantee that the soda boxes were originally designed by me and offered for free on here in MAR '05. I know I sent them, water bottle boxes, C-Rat and MRE box files to many people on here and some of them are the ones both Trumpeter and Real Model use. Am I upset about it, no. I don't own a copyright on them. I see it as a resourceful garage company offering a product to those who don't want to print them for themselves (which is quite easy to do). No harm, no foul.
Relax and get over it. If you don't like it, don't buy them.
Exactly.
Once again, intemperate language seems to be the order of the day whenever this subject comes up. Spain WAS mentioned as where these items were originating from. Thre isn't in my opinion, any need to start hiding behind 'La Bandera' and taking it as any kind of insult
Somewhat ironically, I could start talking about the 'Top Manta' and its (effectively) legal status HERE. But I won't.
Fact: Pepsi, Coca-Cola nd the other Brands on these sheets are trademarks owned by their respective manufacturers so, protecting their use seems somewhat bizarre?
Please people, concentrate on the REAL rip-off merchants who are copying commercial castings of figures and AM parts. That is MUCH more serious...
hostias
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 03:02 AM UTC
Hi buddies:
I think this issue is irrelevant to this that he has written.
With respect to the people who brought to light before this company is worth it.
For example Real Model has several sheets with these things, but there are many things that have edited the Real Model. Why do we have to stay modelers without them?, Simply because he did it first and then do not, nobody can do anything else.
With all due respect NO.
Companies reflected genuine "out like Pepsi or otherwise. They will love the propaganda that they are doing and free.
We have not seen the problem anywhere.
With regard to the nationalities, "We are very adult companions" you do not agree.
A hug to everyone and tell everyone.
Mon
I think this issue is irrelevant to this that he has written.
With respect to the people who brought to light before this company is worth it.
For example Real Model has several sheets with these things, but there are many things that have edited the Real Model. Why do we have to stay modelers without them?, Simply because he did it first and then do not, nobody can do anything else.
With all due respect NO.
Companies reflected genuine "out like Pepsi or otherwise. They will love the propaganda that they are doing and free.
We have not seen the problem anywhere.
With regard to the nationalities, "We are very adult companions" you do not agree.
A hug to everyone and tell everyone.
Mon
USAFSPOOK
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 11:49 AM UTC
I guess what I am confused with-but not bothered by-is the use of actual brand names and logos on these model products. Are the makers of these products stepping on the "big boys" toes and setting themselves up for lawsuits? Did they-and do they-have to get permission first or are they just taking a chance to see what happens? I hope they do not get in trouble. I purchased Accurate Armour's soda cans and the decals supplied were generic "look alike" labels; Mig's city diorama set with the soda machine had stick on labels with, as far as I can tell, the actual "coke" name and motif. I am not saying one is right and one is wrong : I really do not care--I like the products! I would hate to see one of these big companies sue one of our fine cottage industries and put them out of business.