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Some measurement of buildings...
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Firenze, Italy
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Posted: Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 10:39 PM UTC
Hi everyone!!!! I want know:
1 How thick are the walls of buildings in Germany (WWII) on a scale 1/35...15mm?
2 The height of each floor of these
3 The measures of individual bricks of these buildings
4 Other information that you know that I can be used to construct a germany building World War II.
thanks!!!
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Donegal, Ireland
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 12:49 AM UTC
I dont know the answer to any of your questions, but I donīt believe they are necessary either. Wall thickness, floor height and possibly even bricks varied from building to building throught the length of Germany.
I donīt think a diorama has to be so technically correct. Look for good reference images of what you want to do and judge by eye what is right. The veiwer who also judges by eye will see what you see. Going into every last technical detail and measurement is overkill IMO.
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 04:28 AM UTC
I have to agree with Frank. There is no 'golden rule' or set demensions. For bricks you can easily measure current bricks or some from various kits. You can also scale down images from the time period.

As far as floor height, Shep Paine wrote about a trick in the modeling word or 'shrinking' floors as you elevated. The scale affect and distance away from the primary subject would allow for a small decrease in size from floor to floor. This would save materials and display space.

I have also used the figures that are going to be in my diorama as a guage for how large items are. If my figures are the larger older Verlinden ones, I could get away with a taller floor height. If they are smaller Tamiya's I'd go shorter.
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Firenze, Italy
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 04:49 AM UTC
Thanks!!!! I'm glad your responses ... I have to do less work! Thanks again.
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Wroclaw, Poland
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 06:04 AM UTC
Hi,

you would like to build a small contryhouse building or big city building?
I am living in Wroclaw, and before WW II it was Breslau.
My Mother flat is in the pre-war three floor building from early 30's.

Height of the room is about 2,85 m (but I know houses with room height 3,85) thickness of the wall varies from about 60 cm for external walls, 30 cm for main internal walls, then about 15 betweens rooms. Height of the windows is 1,70 m starting ,090 m from floor level. Width of the window is about 0,90 m or (double) 1,80 m.
Entire thickness of the floor it’s about 45 cm.
Angle of the tile covered roof varied from 35 to 45 degrees...
This is typical mid war building in Wroclaw, very similar to this:

http://fotopolska.eu/30013,z,0,1,no,foto.html

Cheers

Wojtek
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Wroclaw, Poland
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 06:10 AM UTC
Two more links...

http://fotopolska.eu/65091,foto.html
http://fotopolska.eu/65081,foto.html

Cheers

Wojtek
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 11:23 AM UTC
Wojtek!!! Thanks for posting those links!!! I LOVE the pictures on that site. It is now part of my favorites list.
I just wish I could read Polish, Google translator makes navigation a little easier but it still leaves a lot to be desired.

and I completely agree with Frank and Scott. No need to be so exact, base everything off of the figures you plan to use.
beggin
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Firenze, Italy
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 08:55 PM UTC
Wojtek thanks so much!!!! I would like to build buildings of a city. The measures that you gave me are perfect, now I have a guideline! Just turn the measures that have given me in the scale 1 / 35, right?
Thank thanks thanks!!!!
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Wroclaw, Poland
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 10:36 PM UTC
My old award winning diorama made in 1998, I have build it with my Friends.



Cheers

Wojtek
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Ascaria
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Wroclaw, Poland
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 10:45 PM UTC
Another old photos... of "Deutsche Bank diorama"




It was long time ago...
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Wroclaw, Poland
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 11:09 PM UTC
Here simple table for you, just print it, and put on your wall



Cheers

Wojtek
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Flemish Brabant, Belgium
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 11:21 PM UTC
Thanks for the diagram wojtek! will be very helpfull
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Firenze, Italy
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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 06:57 AM UTC
Thaks thanks thanks!!!
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 07:29 AM UTC
Some more information:

+ Worker quarters in the Ruhr Valley around the big companies where typically red brick with double walls. Sometimes the houses where then given a layer of plaster and painted white/yellow/beige or similar colors. Some of these still exist today and have been restored close to their 1930s state. The Zechensiedlungen are all over the Ruhr valley

+ 15th century wealth citizens house See person for some scale. The traffic sign (10 in red ring) on the side starts at 220cm

+ Workers house, shared by multiple families

+ And this is a 1925 High rise in cologne

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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:36 PM UTC
And some details based on houses build in the 1920s/1930s in a moderately well-off town near the Ruhr valley:


  • Drywalls are rare. Interior walls are typically brickwalls
  • Steps are steep. A 45 degree angel is typical
  • Steps are high. On avezrage a third higher than today
  • Floors come in three common varieties

    • Wood planks over wood rafters with the planks in a right angle to the rafters
    • Packed concrete encasing wood rafters with the top covered in a fine, smooth concrete known as "Estrich". Typical in function rooms like kitchen, stable etc.
    • As above but covered with wood planks. Typical in living spaces

  • Central heating was rare. If it existed it was often done by hot air circulation heating big tile-clad radiators made from stone/bricks
  • Roofs are typically tiled with red (rarely black) backed clay tiles. These are good examples. They are held in place by weight not by nails
  • Heating was by coal. Either bricks (Briketts) or simply crushed coal up to fist-size. Delivered in packs or jute sacks of 50kg. Stored in the cellar or shed and the needed amount brough in-house in a galvanized stell box holding around 5kg Ignore text, scroll down about 3 quarters
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Posted: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 09:43 PM UTC
@MBR

Good and helpful post!

Claude
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