I'm looking for images of any Pz.Kpfw III or Pz.Kpfw.IV towing a trailer. I've seen the DML Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.E Tauchpanzer w/ Betriebsstoffanhanger and short of buying the kit just to get the trailer I thought I'd look to see what other options there are.

I have one photo of a Pz.Kpfw.IV towing a utility trailer that looks very similar to the trailers towed by the Willys Jeep but I haven't been able to properly ID it.

Dean;

The Dragon kit portrayal of a panzer with trailer is pretty realistic, I think.

There are at least a couple of pics of Pz III or IV (I am pretty sure actually that they are of Pz IV, but... in Russia, I think) pulling fuel trailers- rigs with one or 2 200-L drums (along with piled-on stuff)- in some of those Concord series publications. I am not at home and cannot pull them off my shelf for to give you specific citations, but I am thinking they could be seen in one or more of those volumns which deal with panzers in the east, Panzer Vor!, etc. The books which deal with the early war in the east will be the one(s) to look in, as this trailer habit seems to have vanished later on.

One or more of the captions specifically mention the need to drag fuel and supply trailers to cope with the long distances of the early advances into Russia... and the trailers in the pics very much conform to that presented in that Dragon kit.

So, if you have those books available... Also I have found at least one such pic on the Web doing searches for Pz. III and IV in France, Poland, Russia (early war).

Good luck! If I can find the Concord pic(s) this PM I'll post a cite here.

Bob

Tauchpanzer IV :



Another trailer variant (with a Panzer 38 (t) ) :



Frenchy

Thanks for that but I'm looking for alternatives to the Betriebsstoffanhanger as I don't really feel like buying the DML kit just to get the trailer.

I found this one being towed by Pz.Kpfw.III



So now I'm looking for better photos of the trailer so I can scratchbuild one. Failing that I'll just make a generic one and call it confiscated civilian one.

Dean;

Oops!

My bad! I thought you might be looking for a fuel trailer verification pic- maybe also, methinks, did Frenchy (who nicely posted at least a couple that I have seen).

If it's other trailers you are looking for...

Panzers probably towed EVERYTHING. I think you could fairly use about any trailer kit or any modified trailer you want to- Consider those various ammo trailers sold with the flak-tracks, flak-panzers, etc. Or any other version.

If you cruise enough pics of panzers, you'll see box trailers and vans and towed AT- and small flak guns and ammo trailers and flat-beds (even with smaller vehicles on them). And even small cars. Most panzers and StuGs and the like came with a tow-hitch... And the historical record is that the Germans pretty much maximized on using their vehicles.

That said, towing probably happened only during route marches and the like. I don't think I've ever seen a pic showing a panzer towing something while actually engaging the enemy...

Some trailers I am sure of include those small tracked things the French built and the standard US trailers available to the Germans as captured equipment.

I think you would be OK with almost any trailer of the period. But, that's me!

Speaking of trailers... I think either Bronco or AFV Club was just reported to be releasing a pretty versatile-looking German ammo & supplies trailer.... it was posted here on Armorama last week or so.

Cheers! B.

Hi Dean,

if you are after the trailer, have you considered the Lion Roar (Great Wall Hobby) sidecar kits. Both the R75 and KS750 versions have 2 complete trailers included in the kit. Here are some reviews of the kits on Armorama & PMMS for your reference:-

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/5488

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/greatwall/l3508.html

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/greatwall/l3510.html

You may try your luck as most who builds the sidecar kit will have "an extra trailer" left behind as surplus. Someone may sell that off or just giveaway free.

Regards
Paul

The Infanteriekarren that comes with the LR bikes is a bit small, I want to do something more the size of the MB trailer. I'm trying to find out if the Bantam T3 trailer was lend leased to Russia so I could use one of those form the old Italeri kit and tart it up but I'm leaning towards just making my own.

I've also seen a photo of a Panther ( I think it was a Panther ) towing a sort of gypsy caravan which would be an interesting one to do sometime.

Dean;

You may find the new Bronco SonderAnhanger 52 kit now coming out to be of interest

See the Bronco New Releases: August 2010 thread posted this site 10 August for some pics and intro. While being released as an accessory to their 3.7cm flak 37 kit, it could be pretty cool in a variety of contexts.

Bob

Another trailer kit from Italeri - Sd. Anhänger 51 ammo trailer. This kit contains two trailers in one box.

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/italeri/it6450.htm

Paul

Yup, already got a bunch of those and will be getting the Bronco one but I'm more intertested in an open topped trailer so I can load it up myself with fuel drums, jerry cans, ammo crates etc. At the moment I've started scratchbuilding my own using parts from the Sd.Ah.51 and some spare wheels so I'll see how it turns out.

Tanks with trailers are not that common, IMO, and is proved by the countless images Ive saved over the years.
I doubt you´ll find any "in action" photos of tanks with trailers. With the tracks, the tank could easily go country or over rough terrain... pulling a trailer would hinder this. If coming under fire, having to reverse away from trouble, the tank would be seriously hindered.
Most tanks built stowage where possible on the back hull and sides (when needed), and this would probably amount to similar to what those little trailers could hold ... as shown in the Pz.Kpfw.III image above. I think they choose to build a frame for holing this on the back hull as seen in many stugs and pzr IVs, later in the war when the logistics were not as good.
Sure, if there was one available and they were gong for a long drive ... but I think its more the exception than the rule.

Yeah I'm doing a diorama of vehicles on the retreat after Korsun so loaded up with what they can carry.