Hi guys well time for another one, its dragons new E100 OOB
I've started as per instructions with the road wheels and so far all good bar the pin marks on the inside of the inner wheels , the outter ones are fine as the marks are hidden between the two wheels.
All they had to do to fix this is turn the inner set around when they moulded them and it wouldnt have been a problem.
front sprockets and rear idlers are done also but its raining so will take camera out after it stops.
more soon,
Graham
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 06:05 PM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 01:22 AM UTC
from all the E-100 kits I have seen this one has by for the ugliest turret
nevertheless it's an interesting model and I wish you much fun on the build ^^
cheers
nevertheless it's an interesting model and I wish you much fun on the build ^^
cheers
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 04:44 PM UTC
I know you plan on an out of box experience, but the new kit isn't really new (it dates from the 1990's), and it has some goofs. Up to you if you feel like fixing any or all of them--the model is certainly an eye catcher even without any fixes.
The drivers' hatches are backwards, for instance, based on a wartime draftsman's error. It's real nuisance to correct, unless you saw out the whole front deck from a KIng Tiger kit and swap it in (best to not cut along the existing joint for the hatch insert, though--it's easier to hide the joint on a smooth surface, so cut well outside the molded joint and just putty and sand it smooth). I took the harder (but cheaper) route of filling in the openings and reorienting the hatches. The driver's periscope insert is placed too far outboard and it's undersized. If you have a Dragon King Tiger lying around, it includes a spare one. You can also grab the Tiger's armored exhaust covers, as spares are also included in most Dragon King Tiger and Jagdtiger boxes.
Thomas Jentz has uncovered the plans for the tank's intended turret, based on the Maus II design, which had a rangefinder incorporated and the coax 75 mm gun mounted above the 128 mm main gun (the 150 mm gun had been dropped by then). Since it amounts to a "never was" design, you can choose to model the original turret if you wish--in some alternate history, it might have been completed that way. Alternatively, a British firm called Cammett offers a resin turret that can be mounted on the Dragon or Trumpeter hull.
The drivers' hatches are backwards, for instance, based on a wartime draftsman's error. It's real nuisance to correct, unless you saw out the whole front deck from a KIng Tiger kit and swap it in (best to not cut along the existing joint for the hatch insert, though--it's easier to hide the joint on a smooth surface, so cut well outside the molded joint and just putty and sand it smooth). I took the harder (but cheaper) route of filling in the openings and reorienting the hatches. The driver's periscope insert is placed too far outboard and it's undersized. If you have a Dragon King Tiger lying around, it includes a spare one. You can also grab the Tiger's armored exhaust covers, as spares are also included in most Dragon King Tiger and Jagdtiger boxes.
Thomas Jentz has uncovered the plans for the tank's intended turret, based on the Maus II design, which had a rangefinder incorporated and the coax 75 mm gun mounted above the 128 mm main gun (the 150 mm gun had been dropped by then). Since it amounts to a "never was" design, you can choose to model the original turret if you wish--in some alternate history, it might have been completed that way. Alternatively, a British firm called Cammett offers a resin turret that can be mounted on the Dragon or Trumpeter hull.
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 05:21 PM UTC
hey Gerald thanks bud i didnt know it was that old of a kit , thats a bugga oh well.
it does have some bad points like u say even just building it you have to do a lot of trimming just to get it fitting kind of nice.
i guess not being that up on armour doesnt help but i did wonder where they the info for the turret as i know it wasnt finished during the war.
I
ve got the trumpy e50 and e75 too how close are they ? if they need too much i might just scrap em and use em for parts plus they both got the tipical trumpy crappy rubber band tracks but im guessing something like a KT track from fruil might fit?
anyway heres little update on what i have done todate.
fixed the pin marks
had to trim about 1.5mm off the bottom edge
glue this bit first to try an keep things straight
then glued the rear , after half an hour ran some liquid cement along the side joints
this kind of info and help is why i like this place thanks guys.
Graham
it does have some bad points like u say even just building it you have to do a lot of trimming just to get it fitting kind of nice.
i guess not being that up on armour doesnt help but i did wonder where they the info for the turret as i know it wasnt finished during the war.
I
ve got the trumpy e50 and e75 too how close are they ? if they need too much i might just scrap em and use em for parts plus they both got the tipical trumpy crappy rubber band tracks but im guessing something like a KT track from fruil might fit?
anyway heres little update on what i have done todate.
fixed the pin marks
had to trim about 1.5mm off the bottom edge
glue this bit first to try an keep things straight
then glued the rear , after half an hour ran some liquid cement along the side joints
this kind of info and help is why i like this place thanks guys.
Graham
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 07:20 AM UTC
Cool! Another E-100! If you want to be able to sleep at night, don't click the following link: some nutcase rebuilt Dragon's E-100 according to the plans in Panzer Tracts...
I said Don't click it!
And ah yes, the Trumpeter E-75 and E-50... Do you really want me to open that can of worms? To get these to the point where they more or less fit the plans you'll need a spare KT or JT to cut out parts (ventilator decks, front section with hatches, exhaust covers, ventilator pots on the engine lid, pots on the rear deck, ...
I'll probably start a build log for the E-75 when I've progressed to the point where I can show some things.
Cheers from the other side of the globe!!
John
I said Don't click it!
And ah yes, the Trumpeter E-75 and E-50... Do you really want me to open that can of worms? To get these to the point where they more or less fit the plans you'll need a spare KT or JT to cut out parts (ventilator decks, front section with hatches, exhaust covers, ventilator pots on the engine lid, pots on the rear deck, ...
I'll probably start a build log for the E-75 when I've progressed to the point where I can show some things.
Cheers from the other side of the globe!!
John
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 05:12 PM UTC
The E-75 and E-50 were considerably less far along than the E-100, and little was finalized. General hull layouts were determined, and kitmakers (both resin aftermarket and now Trumpeter) have "finished" the designs with late model King Tiger and Panther F turrets, which is as likely as anything (the Germans often upgraded only part of a design at a time--thus, the Panther G used an unmodified Panther A turret). Trumpeter's recent E-100 is shown with a completely fictional turret designed by modeler Mike Rinaldi (the Maus II drawings were not yet published when he built his fictionalized model).
The E-100 turret went through several paper redesigns, but was based on the Maus turret, a prototype of which was actually built and tested. The E-100 was supposed to be a lighter design, so the revised (but never built) Maus II turret was adopted for the E-100 later in its design cycle, but with thinner overall armor.
The E-100 turret went through several paper redesigns, but was based on the Maus turret, a prototype of which was actually built and tested. The E-100 was supposed to be a lighter design, so the revised (but never built) Maus II turret was adopted for the E-100 later in its design cycle, but with thinner overall armor.
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 06:03 PM UTC
HI Graham,
nice job so far, you will build this kit straight from the box or you will use some aftermarket stuff ?? I was thinking about long barrel of the gun 128 KwK/44 or even slightly shortened 17 cm barrel from 17 cm gun. My next idea was to take some parts of tracks hidden under side armor skirts and put this tracks on the tower as additional armour...
Cheers from "down under"
Wojtek
nice job so far, you will build this kit straight from the box or you will use some aftermarket stuff ?? I was thinking about long barrel of the gun 128 KwK/44 or even slightly shortened 17 cm barrel from 17 cm gun. My next idea was to take some parts of tracks hidden under side armor skirts and put this tracks on the tower as additional armour...
Cheers from "down under"
Wojtek
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 07:44 PM UTC
wow thanks guys , sounds like this pos is a can of worms as are other two so im thinking maybe i use the three of them as test beds for weathering and trying some painting tricks
i wonder how they messed it up so bad since there does seem to be a reasonable amount of data specially for the hull, them tracks are a major pia too which is strange for dragon i havent had anywhere near as probs with there stuff before.
small update i got the tracks nearly finished then ill paint the wheels an tracks before sticking the guards on.
i dont got any spare kT's or JT i want to waste on cutting up LOL i like them too much to canablise them so it'll be just thro it together and experiment on them.
cheers,
Graham
i wonder how they messed it up so bad since there does seem to be a reasonable amount of data specially for the hull, them tracks are a major pia too which is strange for dragon i havent had anywhere near as probs with there stuff before.
small update i got the tracks nearly finished then ill paint the wheels an tracks before sticking the guards on.
i dont got any spare kT's or JT i want to waste on cutting up LOL i like them too much to canablise them so it'll be just thro it together and experiment on them.
cheers,
Graham
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 08:09 PM UTC
Graham, I think that you should take a closer look to this monsters
http://www.finnhobby.com/Gallery_zhanshi.php?bid=3&sid=3&pid=91
http://www.finnhobby.com/Gallery_zhanshi.php?bid=3&sid=3&pid=184
Regards
Wojtek
http://www.finnhobby.com/Gallery_zhanshi.php?bid=3&sid=3&pid=91
http://www.finnhobby.com/Gallery_zhanshi.php?bid=3&sid=3&pid=184
Regards
Wojtek
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 09:16 PM UTC
yeh tis a monster eh thats kind what i had in mind for paint work, i might tweak the kit gun to something more like that instead of what it looks like now time will tell.
one of these days ill start the 2x1/16 KT's i have in the stash but they will take months to build not to mention the other big kits i've got, still trying to find a 1/6 scale engine for one of them.
Graham
one of these days ill start the 2x1/16 KT's i have in the stash but they will take months to build not to mention the other big kits i've got, still trying to find a 1/6 scale engine for one of them.
Graham
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Posted: Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 12:18 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Graham, I think that you should take a closer look to this monsters
http://www.finnhobby.com/Gallery_zhanshi.php?bid=3&sid=3&pid=91
http://www.finnhobby.com/Gallery_zhanshi.php?bid=3&sid=3&pid=184
Regards
Wojtek
Wow! Those beasts are nice. I like that style of camo. I may use that for my upgunned Jagdtiger.
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Posted: Friday, September 10, 2010 - 05:50 PM UTC
Hi guys, small update i grafted a bigger barrel onto it to make it look more menacing and am putting the night vision stuff on, its pritty much ready for paint sdo will decide on colors tomorrow and see what happens.
more soon,
Graham
more soon,
Graham
Posted: Friday, September 10, 2010 - 07:06 PM UTC
Having built one of these myself Graham I look forward to seeing the finished item as I was more than a little disappointed in my efforts. It is currently sat hidden awaiting much needed attention.
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Posted: Saturday, September 11, 2010 - 06:02 PM UTC
tis done, i made it look like it was covered in concrete/rubbel dust as i figured it would have probably been fighting in the streets if it was ever in service, im not totally sure the dust is quite right but was trying some different things i think it looks ok but you can will soon tell me huh im still gettin used to this pigment stuff.
cheers
Graham
cheers
Graham