I bought the Blast LAV-A2 update set and noticed it comes with the old style muffler. Looking around, I found just a few pictures of LAV-A2A in Iraq/Afghanistan- and they also had the older mufflers or were taken showing the wrong side. Anyone have any pictures of LAV-A2s with the new style muffler, deployed in Iraq or Afg? Thanks

I think you will find that the muffler included in the kit is the old style that was dropped.

The style in the Blast Upgrade kit is the newer style that is now included on the other nations versions of the LAV.

You might have seen thess photos already

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Light_Armored_Vehicle.JPG

http://www.flickr.com/photos/72131699@N00/4088163758/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gin_tonic/4132395015/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikesphotos_us/4628226650/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikesphotos_us/4627618081/

Actually, the USMC LAV A2 went back to the original style muffler. The SLEP exhaust was dropped as it was found to not be needed and it was a pain for maintenance.

OK, the Blast muffler it is. Thanks guys, for the answers and links

I'd say it's a new muffler for the US LAV, the old one looked like this (from Prime Portal):
LAV25exhaust
The newer one resembles the type we have on the Canadian Bisons, but I don't think LAV-25's have had them.

Jim

I agree, it is not the exactly the same as the old one, thats why I said the "older style". It looks like the Blast set has the current muffler.

Hello,

The muffler in the Blast Models update set is the current muffler used on the USMC FOLAV A2's, with out the newer thermal shroud. There are 2 muffler shrouds that were/are used on the FOLAV. There was the SLEP shroud which is almost completely phased out (Longer shroud) and the newer shroud (Shorter shroud) which is an eductor/diffuser inside a thermal shroud. In AFG currently it is all A2 configuration vehicels with almost all of them having the shorter muffler. Some do have the shroud, jut t not in any great numbers yet. If you want, PM me and I have pics of all the mufflers & shrouds used on the vehicles.

Randy

PM sent...thanks!

Man Gino, you are swinging that Football Bat in Public again!. I thought you over that. For all to enjoy here are the three LAV exhaust looks that could be found around the Corps a couple of years ago. This first shot is the longer SLEP exhaust for the A1s that are pretty much not in service use and eventually headed back to depot for upgrade.

Here is the A2 exhaust on a Recovery version with shroud installed. As Randy points out it is much shorter than the old SLEP version. This LAVR-A2 is a "rental" and belongs to the EEAP (Enhanced Equipment Allowance Pool) at the Marine Base in 29 Palms, CA.

And finally yhe A2 exhaust with the Thermal shroud removed. This is what is in the Blast Upgrade set. This vehicle belongs to 1st LAR Bn, 1st Marine Division call sign "Highlander" out of Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, CA.

The silver elbow is a field applied modification and usually points downward as this one does. The shrouds were removed as when the ol' Detroit motor started puking oil it would occasionally cause a fire under the shroud. Not a good way to reduce your thermal signature! I do not know if that problem has been corrected. Perhaps Randy can shed more light on the matter. Of note for the modeler is the Shrouds outline on the hull after it has been removed. Outta here, Mike sends . . .

Mike, as usual, your Jarhead brain can't seem to understand if its not in very basic terms. I said basically the same thing you did. The A2 has gone back to a style of muffler similar to the original one (w/out the shroud) due to problems with them. How is that different than what you said?

Go read your posts. "Original" and "Older:" are not the same thing.
Outta here, Mike sends . .

I guess it needs to be in really simple terms for some the Jarheads out there. Must just be that tankers are really slow.

Let me rephrase it so you understand. I'll even type slowly.

Similar to the older, original style with exposed muffler like a car muffler; similar to what was on the older LAV-25s before SLEP.

Does that work for your hard head?

The original verses older wording was a slight typo I guess. Most people with an average IQ could figure out what I was talking about though, esp. since I was referencing the Blast set.

Not with your record as Minister of Mis-information. Outta here, Mike sends . . .

Whatever MIke. I guess it is just in you to be a jacka$$.

Now back to modeling.

I don't see similar in your original satement. It doesn't show up untill your third go around at the 2 step. I guess Herr Mummey, being a thickheaded jarhead tanker, just doesn't understand redleg passed over major wannabe tanker talk. Gino, I think your best tactical move at this time would be just go to ground. Let the crickets chirp. I think people would rather have his jacka$$ information than your halfa$$ information.

Hmm, no idea where you got the passed over Major crap. You are definitely out of the loop and incorrect this time. You might want to recheck the LTC list and maybe just go to ground and stay out of it yourself. I don't think Mike needs you as a mouthpiece to help him out.

Well another good informative post turned shouting match. I don't care what the beef is between you guys buts its REALLY immature to tramp it all over the forums and frankly its getting quite annoying.

But what do I know, I guess its just an inherent problem among forums in general.

As Mike said there was an issue with the muffler causing a fire, but that has been resolved and the shrouds will be going back on most of the variants very shortly. On some vehicles the shrouds were never issued so the pattern is continous. For people using the Blast kit, you can paint the muffler black, or CARC Green, with a green, black, or silver elbow. Also the shrouds come in CARC green from the manufacturer.

Now if Trumpeter will release other A2 variants!!!!!

Just goes to prove the peter principle is alive and well.

Lucas, Gary G., Jim .C,, and Randy H. did put out some good information. Mike M. did an exceptional job of clearing up the misinformation that was spread. You know the saying, garbage in...garbage out. An informative thread is not helped at all by just bad information. Also it is not helped at all when someone tries to cover their wrong information by saying oh I ment this or oh I ment that when it is very apperent they are wrong in the first place. They just need to be a man, accept they are wrong, and move on.

Howdy Randy, thank you for the updated information. Question: Are the A2s only being fielded in the NATO tri color scheme? I have not one painted in CARC Sand yet. Outta here, Mike sends . . .

No problem! A few LAV 25A2's were painted in Sand in the begining, but someone told me there was a directive for all USMC equipmet leaving Albany or Barstow after an upgrade or the SOAR/IROAN process to be painted in 3 color. I personnaly have never seen a Sand colored A2, but I think I have a picture of one somewhere, I'll see if I can locate it and post it.

HTH

Frenchy

Here is one that has had the shroud removed and still has the mounting brackets on the muffler for the shroud.

Howdy Randy, thank you for the update. Frenchy I also found that picture on the marines.mil website and it was captioned HQMC 2004 with no other info(?). It is the only one I have seen in CARC Sand and must be from the MARSYSCOM PM office or something. Nice exhaust detail shot Tony, thank you.
Outta here, Mike sends . . .

HEY Mike,
Definately listen to Randy, he knows his [auto-censored]! Don't ask where he gets it, but its dead-nuts accurate.

Always trust--never adjust with him.

Rod