AFV Painting & Weathering
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Best primer on the market?
retiredyank
Joined: June 29, 2009
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Posted: Saturday, April 20, 2013 - 12:23 AM UTC
I'm now use Floquil/PollyS lacquer primers. They don't need to be thinned and provide a smooth coat.
Thudius
Joined: October 22, 2012
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Posted: Saturday, April 20, 2013 - 06:10 AM UTC
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Im kinda late with this, but the best primer ive used to date has to be Games Workshop chaos black primer. In the UK a large can costs about £8.00 and theres enough in a large can to prime about 10 1/35 models. The stuff is just perfect and I simply cant recommend it enough. It comes out incredibly fine and gives the best surface coverage of any primer ive used (and trust me ive used a lot)of course another benefit of using the black primer is it provides the deep shadow base. They also do a white one if you want something lighter.
I've been meaning to try this stuff, how's the smell? One of the reasons I've started using Vallejos is that they don't stink up the joint and brush well. No airbrush and won't be getting one in the near future either.
One thing I've noticed with Vallejo primers is they don't sand at all, Model Color does seem to though. The light grey is very translucent and needs a good 3-4 coats, whereas bronze green and panzer grey covers in 2. They all seem to stick to etch reasonably well. All need thinning, water works fine.
retiredyank
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Posted: Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 01:12 PM UTC
The best spray can primer, I have come across is Rust-o-Leum's self etching. It has a dark grey/green color, but is good with just one coat. It applies evenly and doesn't drown the detail, as some do.
kaiyudsai
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 05:23 AM UTC
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I use Floquil Railroad enamel black- clings nicely to all media and specially so to brass, gives a tight, slightly satin micro-fine coat, sprays great, reveals all imperfections "perfectly"
, smells (does want proper venting). It does NOT obscure fine detail and texture- something critical to us AFV modelers.
For me, works as a great primer AND provides a nice dark undercoat that helps me in "preshading effects".
Cheers! Bob
Im totally with Bob on this one... He suggested it to me at a meeting and I have been hooked ever since. Great thing is they have black, white, and gray so you can really get nice preshading..
retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 06:00 AM UTC
Just tried MM white primer acrylic. It takes a few coats, to get a good base. I'll probably try Tamiya, next. And, Vallejo after that.
prophecy
Joined: November 09, 2010
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 06:12 AM UTC
I can suggest the new AK Interactive Acrylic Primer. It ist easier to use for me than the Vallejo Primer.
Emeritus
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 06:29 AM UTC
I've been hearing AK Interactive paints to be similar to Vallejos - how's the primer? That is, mostly, is it sandable?
Just asking because the Vallejo polyurethane primers look promising, but supposedly don't sand that well.
Just asking because the Vallejo polyurethane primers look promising, but supposedly don't sand that well.
Thudius
Joined: October 22, 2012
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 08:17 AM UTC
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I've been hearing AK Interactive paints to be similar to Vallejos - how's the primer? That is, mostly, is it sandable?
Just asking because the Vallejo polyurethane primers look promising, but supposedly don't sand that well.
Vallejo primers do not sand at all. If you need to fix something, clean off the primer (I use brush cleaner) do your stuff and re-prime.
BBD468
Joined: March 08, 2010
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 10:22 AM UTC
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I've been hearing AK Interactive paints to be similar to Vallejos - how's the primer? That is, mostly, is it sandable?
Just asking because the Vallejo polyurethane primers look promising, but supposedly don't sand that well.
IMHO and experience with it, stay away from the Vallejo polyurethane primers!!!!! Ill recommend Wal-Mart brand grey primer before id ever recommend the Vallejo. I use Tamiya grey and love it, but almost every other primer described in this thread would better suit you IMO. I do however use all other Vallejo products....JUST NOT THE PRIMER! Im stuck with the large bottle ill never use. I dont have any experience with AK primer. Good luck!
My 2cents,
Gary
prophecy
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 10:13 PM UTC
AK Interactive Primer is different to the Vallejo one. There is no "skin" so you can sand it without problems.
Thudius
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 11:29 PM UTC
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AK Interactive Primer is different to the Vallejo one. There is no "skin" so you can sand it without problems.
Good to know, may have to get a bottle of grey for corrective priming. I find the Vallejos do cover nicely with a brush though, so they're not a complete disaster. And the top coats stick really well.
hobbydude
Joined: August 27, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 08:24 PM UTC
I use Citadel Kaos Black it is AWESOME primer !! I have great results with it. Super adhesion and great durability.
noddy927
Joined: February 15, 2013
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Posted: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 11:50 PM UTC
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Okay, thanks, Matt. I'm trying to find a seller in the States who is willing to ship Windex to me.
Joe.
Joe Lidl sells a similar product, it is blue coloured and has ammonia in it. I add a little extra ammonia to it as I use it to clean my airbrush too. I use the same thing on its own for thinning my paints too, never had any probs.
Pete
vonHengest
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Posted: Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 07:28 PM UTC
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I use Citadel Kaos Black it is AWESOME primer !! I have great results with it. Super adhesion and great durability.
This is great primer, I just can't manage to get it into really tight areas. I wish it was available in a bottle for airbrushing.
chumpo
Joined: August 30, 2010
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Posted: Friday, July 12, 2013 - 03:38 AM UTC
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they now have a mr surfacer. 1500 both in gray and now in black , there's also a mr surfacer 1000 red oxide , supposedly close to the German red metal primer .For whatever reason none of my local shops carry the Vallejo primers. I am going to ask around and see if any of them are willing to start adding them to their inventory as they sound like excellent primers.
I do have one shop that sells the GW primers so I may check some of those out, as well as the Floquil black which I'm assuming I can find at a model train store?
For the meantime I've been using Mr. Surfacer 1200 which has been working beautifully
ronzpop1
Joined: August 29, 2013
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 07:32 AM UTC
I use DupliColor sandable
primers. Great stuff. Goes on thin and doesn't hide the detail. You can use any paint over it. Been using it for years.
primers. Great stuff. Goes on thin and doesn't hide the detail. You can use any paint over it. Been using it for years.
comebackmodeler
Joined: January 16, 2014
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Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 01:30 PM UTC
I likes ssgtoms reply
In a lot of cases primer is not really necessary and unless carefull you can get to much on and hide détails
I have come back to modeling after ten years away. Decided to keep away from solvent base paints that includes Tamiya acrylics, and moved to Vallejo model air after testing them
It's different because model air does not bite into plastic ld it has more of a capilary action. I have finished building an Israeli Shot a lot of resin on there so I must prime, darn! after reading the pros and cons of Vallejo surface primer i decided to try them anyway I opted for their grey primer it is fantastic stuff, it should be thinned I thin 50/50 with Vallejo airbrush thinner at 1.5 bar on the compressor and it sprays beautifully and does not clog up my eclipse mist on one or two light passes and then build up a thin solid coat this is necessary for it to grab it adheres very well and if you let it cure properly a day or 2 it is very solid and makes for a good base.
Make sure you surface is well prepared and '' grease free'' If I would not have all that resin to cover I would not have primed at all I never used to prime before and I found out when testing that even on unprimed surfaces Vallejo model air adheres very well, and can resist very hard weathering if protected with a coat of varnish so I will prime only if the situation calls for it.
One thing though if you use Vallejo primer make sure that you are harppy with your build because this primer does not like sanding.
Cheers and happy painting
In a lot of cases primer is not really necessary and unless carefull you can get to much on and hide détails
I have come back to modeling after ten years away. Decided to keep away from solvent base paints that includes Tamiya acrylics, and moved to Vallejo model air after testing them
It's different because model air does not bite into plastic ld it has more of a capilary action. I have finished building an Israeli Shot a lot of resin on there so I must prime, darn! after reading the pros and cons of Vallejo surface primer i decided to try them anyway I opted for their grey primer it is fantastic stuff, it should be thinned I thin 50/50 with Vallejo airbrush thinner at 1.5 bar on the compressor and it sprays beautifully and does not clog up my eclipse mist on one or two light passes and then build up a thin solid coat this is necessary for it to grab it adheres very well and if you let it cure properly a day or 2 it is very solid and makes for a good base.
Make sure you surface is well prepared and '' grease free'' If I would not have all that resin to cover I would not have primed at all I never used to prime before and I found out when testing that even on unprimed surfaces Vallejo model air adheres very well, and can resist very hard weathering if protected with a coat of varnish so I will prime only if the situation calls for it.
One thing though if you use Vallejo primer make sure that you are harppy with your build because this primer does not like sanding.
Cheers and happy painting
chumpo
Joined: August 30, 2010
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Posted: Friday, March 14, 2014 - 11:01 AM UTC
You have to prime to see if there are any defects that needs to be fixed before top coating . But the that's not really necessary is it .
tenchu11
Joined: September 25, 2014
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Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2014 - 09:58 PM UTC
I use tamiya grey spray paint primer. It coats fast and dries quick. I've had no issue with it, i'm fairly new about only half dozen kits but I would purchase it every time.
pasban7777
Joined: February 19, 2015
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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2015 - 11:20 AM UTC
Hi Iain,
Thanks for the Vallejo primer advice. I'm going to look into getting some as all three colours are readily available on ebay.
Thanks again mate.
Thanks for the Vallejo primer advice. I'm going to look into getting some as all three colours are readily available on ebay.
Thanks again mate.
plstktnkr2
Joined: October 10, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 08:34 AM UTC
What do I use to thin Mr. sufacer primer? I have the white/grey 1000
edmund
Joined: November 10, 2014
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 10:19 AM UTC
Mr. Color thinner or Mr. Color leveling thinner .
plstktnkr2
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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 05:15 AM UTC
my local hobby shops do not stock that product, so what else could I use?
jomark
Joined: April 13, 2015
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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 05:38 AM UTC
mr surfacer is lacquer based so I guess you could test it with tamiya lacquer thinner (yellow cap) if mr color thinner is not an option
edmund
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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 06:46 AM UTC
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. Tamiya lacquer thinner works . mr surfacer is lacquer based so I guess you could test it with tamiya lacquer thinner (yellow cap) if mr color thinner is not an option
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