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Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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wash to fade german triple colour cammo
Easy_Co
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 12:23 AM UTC
Hi all, can anyone reccamend a colour to use for a wash to fade German triple colour cammo.
Hohenstaufen
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 12:57 AM UTC
You could try a very light overspray of Dunkelgelb, this would give a "dusty" look, but the brown and green should still show through.
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 01:33 AM UTC
For fading the whole scheme, which probably includes dunkelgelb, I might suggest a more neutral "4th" shade- I use a really thinned coat of a very light grey with a touch of "flat earth" mixed in (to keep it a little "warm"). I shoot more "fader coat" on those places more exposed to try for "sun-bleaching" effects.
My issue is "what is the average colour" I am seeking when all is done? Do I want it more "tan" or "yellowish", or simply lighter, etc. Am I thinking here of "faded paint" or am I thinking "dusty"? Or both? And does it want to go on after decals / marks of before?
Cheers! Bob
My issue is "what is the average colour" I am seeking when all is done? Do I want it more "tan" or "yellowish", or simply lighter, etc. Am I thinking here of "faded paint" or am I thinking "dusty"? Or both? And does it want to go on after decals / marks of before?
Cheers! Bob
brynje
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 02:16 AM UTC
Easy_Co
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 04:23 AM UTC
Thanks for the replies guys,what Im after is toning down the new colours so their not so bold.
SSGToms
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 05:07 AM UTC
Cover your 3 color camo with a coat of Future to seal the paint. Apply the decals. Seal the decals with another coat of Future.
Give the model an overall wash of Black, Van Dyke Brown, Raw Umber, or Burnt Umber. The color choice is your preference. This will tone everything down nicely and tie it all together.
Give the model an overall wash of Black, Van Dyke Brown, Raw Umber, or Burnt Umber. The color choice is your preference. This will tone everything down nicely and tie it all together.
Easy_Co
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 05:31 AM UTC
many thanks gentlemen,now to give it a try.
Rouse713
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Posted: Friday, September 17, 2010 - 06:18 AM UTC
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Cover your 3 color camo with a coat of Future to seal the paint. Apply the decals. Seal the decals with another coat of Future.
Give the model an overall wash of Black, Van Dyke Brown, Raw Umber, or Burnt Umber. The color choice is your preference. This will tone everything down nicely and tie it all together.
What he said. If the colors are still to contrasting, you have a few options after what I assume are the detail washes SSgt is talking about.
1) light filters - I can't do these
2) Dry brush - Take your three camo colors and lighten each one. Dry brush each respective lightened color on its original in raised and wear areas. Make sure the colors are close and you don't over lap. This effect will be subtle but accurate. It is better to take the time if one raised feature has 2 or 3 colors running through it to drybrush each section seperatly, no matter how small the section or feature. It really doesn't take that much longer and will look a lot softer on the eyes than over antiquing everything with a whitish color.
3) pastels or pigments - with a flat coat, use beight colored pigments and blend the trouble areas.
As far as getting a subdued tritone, I will paint the camoflauge lightly. From my eye from reference, most camo on german armor was well thinned (Jentz and Doyle are right about this). However, for Normandy type stuff, I like to let the camo run darker as that I what I see in the photos.
So contrast isn't bad if it is what you want.
Mark out
bbtoys
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 03:11 AM UTC
Mark,
MIG makes an oil paint (MIG Abteilung oils) esp. for fading German 3 color schemes. You may want to check it out as another option in addition to following the good advice given earlier.
Here's a link to their site (I have no relations to seller): http://migproductions-usa.com/paint-finishing/502-abteilung/german-3-tone-fading.html
Cheers, Richard
Easy_Co
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 03:33 AM UTC
many thanks for that Richard,looks very interesting.
collin26
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Posted: Friday, October 01, 2010 - 11:10 AM UTC
MIG Productions also makes a Filter specific for tri-tonal cammo. It should do exactly what you are looking for and takes a lot of the guess work out.
Easy_Co
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Posted: Friday, October 01, 2010 - 11:02 PM UTC
hi.many thanksfor that Iain I will be checking that one out.