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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 04:29 AM UTC
I have the dragon jagdpanther kit 6494 and would like to know what color the crew uniforms are. any response appreciated. picture would be real helpful.
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 04:38 AM UTC
I tried to get a straight answer to this a while back when I built a JP for the Mighty 88 campaign, and it seems it all kinda depended... They were technically supposed to be part of the field artillery so the green uniform is appropriate, but some units wore the black panzer one instead. I suppose you could try to find references for a particular unit to match your decals, but I just went for green because it made a change from black.

Good luck!

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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 05:56 AM UTC
As Tom suggests,

they were supposed to wear field-green undiforms, identical to the StuG crews. Yet there was a wide variation in what they actually wore. IIRC there is a picture out there of the men a Jagdpanther platoon (or perhaps even company) lined up, and over 50% of the people in the image are not wearing regulation uniforms.

Likewise there is one of an Lieutenant of S.JPzAbt 654 wearing a tailor made jacket made from [i]zeltbahn[/] material. Some other seem to wear tanker overalls and jackets (definitely black, as they are darker than some of the other uniforms), there is one image of a crew wearing what could be construed to be pea pattern uniforms - although this definitely could be a result of light distortion or degradation of the image. Zeltbahn material could also be used for pants.

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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 01:18 PM UTC

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I have the dragon jagdpanther kit 6494 and would like to know what color the crew uniforms are. any response appreciated. picture would be real helpful.


Officially Feldgrau (Field Gray) woolen uniforms (which were actually a gray green color) were specified, but as mentioned, some outfits had the black Panzer uniform issued, and camouflage fabric was sometimes seen as well.
The collar piping should have been artillery red, but again, some units may have retained pink panzer crew piping if they were originally a tank unit.
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 03:56 PM UTC
Thanks for the information. It's hard to find pictures of jagdpanther crews.
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 07:04 PM UTC
Indeed there seems to be no small amount of confusion regarding the uniforms of Jagdpanther crews. Perhaps this will aid in lessening the confusion.

First, these were Panzerjager (anti-tank) troops so the piping worn would invariably be pink. These vehicles were never considered Sturmartillerie like the Sturmgeschutze III, whose crew would have worn the red of artillery troops.

Next, these vehicles served either with independent anti-tank battalions or replaced tanks in some Panzer division battalions (so I've been given to understand.

When Panzerjager-Abteilung 654 re-equipped from Elephant to Jagdpanther, photographs clearly show the personnel wearing the field gray wool AFV uniform (commonly called the StuG uniform).The Panzer Totenkopf badge was worn on the collar patches of either field gray or black. (usually piped in pink waffenfarbe). It appears that any manner of issued denim clothing could have been worn during the first battles in Normandy. The most common would have been the 2nd pattern herringbone twill denim jacket and trousers. This is the set with the large chest and thigh pockets. The ordinary denim version of the field blouse was also evident. Camouflage clothing was extremely rare with only one officer in this unit seen wearing a custom jacket made from zeltbahn material.

When the unit refitted in the fall of 1944, the black Panzer uniform was seen as
standard. However, once again the reed green HBT denims were the common field uniform. Note that this was a loose fitting item that could be worn on it's own or over top of the wool uniform. This uniform was sometimes worn with the jacket tucked into the trousers and often the trousers only were worn showing the black panzer jacket.

It is possible that this was typical of other Jagdpanther units but perhaps not.
I don't believe that these vehicles ever served in Waffen-SS units so dot pattern camo was extremely unlikely.

HTH,
Ron Volstad

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