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Creating realistic rust for dummies
MEBM
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Posted: Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:43 AM UTC
Scoccia: what's a "soft brush?" Thanks for your time.
scoccia
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Posted: Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:06 AM UTC
MEBM, sorry I forgot to say paint brush, going to correct the original post too...
Thanks to you for pointing it out
Ciao
Thanks to you for pointing it out
Ciao
Torgut
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:33 AM UTC
Well.. I think I have a problem.. I have the iron wool in the water for two days now and all I can see is that the water became blue. Nothing else. I don't think this is rust proof iron wool.. What can be wrong ?
scoccia
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 07:00 PM UTC
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Well.. I think I have a problem.. I have the iron wool in the water for two days now and all I can see is that the water became blue. Nothing else. I don't think this is rust proof iron wool.. What can be wrong ?
It's part of the process. Are you usin tap water or distilled? If you use the latter it will take much more time, so try to replace it with tap water. On top of that putting the jar in the sun will speed it up too. If you see that all the water is gone before the wool has turnet in rust just add more water.
Ciao
P.S: are you sure it's iron and not steel wool?
bracomadar
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:37 PM UTC
Well Torgut, if it turns blue that means, well, congrats dude, YOU'RE GONNA BE A FATHER!!! #:-) Ok, no, maybe you got the kind that was designed for scrubbing pots and pans and has detergent type stuff in it. I got a question of my own. We get our tap water from a rural water source, but we also have a well that we use for watering the plants outside and keep from having a big water bill in the summer. It puts out a lot of rust in the water since it's at least 30 years old and the parts inside the pump is all rusted. You can even see when the water comes out it has a reddish tinge to it. Would you suggest using this instead of tap water? Rust makes more rust so to say, right? Would it speed things up a bit?
scoccia
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:18 AM UTC
It's the amount of mineral salts (not the kitchen one NaCl) the temperature and the quantity of hoxygen that speed up the process. I put the water in the jar from my tap, put it outside in the sun and in three or four days I get a rusty block that once broken down and well stirred gives me the rust...
Ciao
Ciao
gluesniffer
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:30 AM UTC
I think the guy with blue water has got a brillo pad used for washing dishes. Don't think that's gunna rust too fast. Plus it has detergent in it
Great idea though.
I think i'm going to just take some rust of my old '85 chevy pick-up and grind it up.
Does anything rust in Arizona? They have all the mothball planes down there in the desert
jusjus80
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:17 AM UTC
WOW!!! that is the most genuine idea i have seen for a while ill try it out right away
thanx for shering such a brilliant idea!! man i love this little animation
thanx for shering such a brilliant idea!! man i love this little animation
MEBM
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:32 PM UTC
I have oooooooonnnnnnnnneeeeeeee last question about this: when you apply the rust, do you wet the brush, or do you just apply it. (Stop making fun of me! #:-) ) Thanks for your time.
scoccia
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:05 PM UTC
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have oooooooonnnnnnnnneeeeeeee last question about this: when you apply the rust, do you wet the brush, or do you just apply it.
If you look at the note below the last pic on the 1st page, you''ll find how I apply it. It can be with a dry or a wet paintbrush, depending on the effect you want to achieve...
Ciao
MEBM
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Posted: Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 05:18 AM UTC
Me am sorry. Me can't read good...Thanks for help! #:-)
Desert-Fox
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Posted: Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 01:39 PM UTC
Superb idea.
I think that you have discovered the aftermarket pigment powders trick there . They charge a fortune for the results. (worth it though...in case I get sued LOL). #:-)
I think that you have discovered the aftermarket pigment powders trick there . They charge a fortune for the results. (worth it though...in case I get sued LOL). #:-)
Torgut
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 11:07 AM UTC
Ok.. my last report about this experience: I quit to obtain rust powder with this method. The remaining powder after evaporation is more like brown dust then rust. I will keep using my old method: some water with some iron objects inside. When I want to apply the dust I grabd one of the iron objects which is already covered by rust and I use a brush to apply that rust directly on thje model.
Meanwhile I found a terrific use for the brown powder I obtained: it's great to use in the mixure with white glue, water and sand, to make mud for a model.
Meanwhile I found a terrific use for the brown powder I obtained: it's great to use in the mixure with white glue, water and sand, to make mud for a model.
Matrix
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 08:30 AM UTC
Would steel wool work? That stuff rusts good.
scoccia
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 09:38 AM UTC
As long as you can get rust powder out of I'd say yes.
Ciao
Ciao
Sancho0409
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Posted: Sunday, January 04, 2004 - 01:31 PM UTC
Is white spirits similar to paint thinner? I tried doing this using paint thinner to thin the rust dust, but I didnt like the results.. Also, what happened to the pictures on this forum?
Babva
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2004 - 01:44 AM UTC
Right clic little red "x"--- This opens a window--- Then left clic properties--- copy address (url)--- Close window--- Then paste address into your browser address area--- then clic go or hit the enter key.
Jim
Jim
scoccia
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2004 - 04:35 AM UTC
Sorry for the rex Xs. I'm going to fix them asap. For thinning the rust I use isopropyl alchool at 90% too...
Ciao
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Ciao
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scoccia
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2004 - 05:46 AM UTC
Red Xs should be turned into pics now... Sory for the inconvenience.
Ciao
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Ciao
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2004 - 05:53 AM UTC
Hi fabio. Eventhough this article was posted first in August, today was the first time I saw it. I was dissapointed there was no pictures, but now thats rectified as well! Most excellent article and very helpful. I like the fact that you tried a few different methods and showed photographs of each. Definately a useful tip with quite a few effects from the same ingrediants! Cheers!
scoccia
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2004 - 07:12 AM UTC
Plasticbattle, the problem was with my provider that changed the address of the pics server without any notice (and it's not a free provider!!!), so I recognized that the pics were not showing only today when somebody picked up the thread again. Now all of the "for dummies" threads I started are ok and properly display the pics that are now hosted here on Armorama.
Ciao and thanks everybody for the nice words
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Ciao and thanks everybody for the nice words
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