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Kirin Falklands Marines
USAFSPOOK
Joined: April 22, 2010
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Posted: Monday, October 11, 2010 - 02:21 PM UTC
I recently obtained a set of 1/35 Royal Marines in the Falklands by Kirin. I understand that this kit is now out of production. Can someone tell me when this was first issued and whether or not it was a limited run set? I do not know how this got by me, as I am aware of anything that is modern British and especially Falklands related--my favourite subjects. The figures are excellent and are done by the same sculptor that does most of Accurate Armour's modern British figures, Peter Morton. Could AA pick up the rights to manufacture these or is that too expensive to undertake--is it better to have your own to begin with? Or is that up to the sculptor?
Maki
Senior Editor
Joined: February 13, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 11, 2010 - 08:49 PM UTC
I'm not sure when this kit was released, but it has been OOP for a long time now. Unfortunately, many great looking figures were lost since the originator company just ceased to exist with masters lying forgotten in someone's basement... I think that's the case with several Kirin figures too. A shame, really...
Mario
Mario
grimmo
Joined: January 17, 2006
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Posted: Monday, October 11, 2010 - 09:08 PM UTC
I have this kit too, and i wish i could get another! and some of the original kirin kits! they were really good!
hostias
Joined: December 25, 2008
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Posted: Monday, October 11, 2010 - 11:30 PM UTC
Hello
Do not know if these figures of Marines in the Falklands, are in circulation right now, so if you is that, on Ebay there is someone in Asia that Kirin copying figures with the same or better quality.
With regard to figures of soldiers of the Falklands War, that if, on a scale 1 / 16 there are very, very good at Imperial Gallery.
Regards,
Mon
Do not know if these figures of Marines in the Falklands, are in circulation right now, so if you is that, on Ebay there is someone in Asia that Kirin copying figures with the same or better quality.
With regard to figures of soldiers of the Falklands War, that if, on a scale 1 / 16 there are very, very good at Imperial Gallery.
Regards,
Mon
Tarok
Joined: July 28, 2004
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Posted: Monday, October 11, 2010 - 11:31 PM UTC
IIRC Kirin was owned by the company that is now known as Dragon Models Ltd - or there was a DML connection through Marco Polo Imports who were the original DML USA agents. If DML own the masters don't count on them been sold to anyone any time soon.
Maki
Senior EditorJoined: February 13, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 11, 2010 - 11:46 PM UTC
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on Ebay there is someone in Asia that Kirin copying figures with the same or better quality.
Yes, I'm not sure how to think about recasters copying figures that are no longer available... they obviously keep the figures in circulation, but it is still a blatant copyright infringement.
Mario
afv_rob
Joined: October 09, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 01:22 AM UTC
These Kirin figures are indeed many years out of production and its highly unlikely any Kirin stuff will ever see the light of day again-they did some really nice modern figures like the 3 IDF figures, thankfully ive managed over the years to collect pretty much the entire range.
You could always just try and cast some copies of them yourself. I know some people frown on that, but if you arent going to sell them I see no problem with it.
You could always just try and cast some copies of them yourself. I know some people frown on that, but if you arent going to sell them I see no problem with it.
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
Joined: February 20, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 05:15 AM UTC
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Do not know if these figures of Marines in the Falklands, are in circulation right now, so if you is that, on Ebay there is someone in Asia that Kirin copying figures with the same or better quality.
Yes, a notorious counterfeiter who's been the subject of discussions on this forum before.
To those who say that "well they're still keeping discontinued figures in circulation", bear in mind that ANY purchase made from these characters only helps and encourages them in their illegal activities. Not only illegal but damaging also, because these people impact negatively on the legitimate small producers even to the point of potentially forcing them out of business. And ultimately that can only be bad for the hobby as a whole.
- Steve
USAFSPOOK
Joined: April 22, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 08:08 AM UTC
I think my worst fears have been verified--that I purchased unauthorized produced figures. They were purchased in the far east; would anyone be brave enough to disclose this dealer? Not trying to cause problems or get into a name-calling thread, but if I did buy from the dealer in question, I do not want to repeat that mistake. I do have very mixed feelings about this as it does make available some very desireable and rare figures; however, I do not feel right buying such things since I am sure the original sculptor is not getting his proper royalties. Is it possible that some of these figures were part of Kirin's original productions that were forgotten about and not packaged up? I do wish Accurate Armour could somehow pick up the rights to produce these legally as they do fit in with their current line of modern British figures (I remember the Falklands War, so it couldn't have been that long ago, right?!). Thanks to all who have responded to this.
afv_rob
Joined: October 09, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 10:31 AM UTC
If you bought them from 'wingpro' then they are fakes.
Maki
Senior EditorJoined: February 13, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 07:16 PM UTC
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I do not see any problem, what is the problem?
I'm not sure where are you heading with this? Buying from recasters is OK?
Mario
grom
Joined: July 28, 2005
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Posted: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 03:18 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextI do not see any problem, what is the problem?
I'm not sure where are you heading with this? Buying from recasters is OK?
Mario
Sincerely but without hypocrisies nor false moral: YES.
I do not know if I'll be in your heading ,I do not care much; but I do not believe in a happy world with devil's advocates saying what is well and is bad.
- Is it right try to exterminate a race because of their creed or religion?
- Is it right to kill thousands of civilians in an illegal war?
- Is it right letting die of hunger to million children whereas others are inflated as much of eating?
This is really important.
It watches what Dutt Gordy of KITBUILDERS MAGAZINE says on the subject of copies:
Quoted Text"Of course on the flip side it is tough to chastise your average modeler that just wants an affordable piece that he can build and paint. After all he got into this hobby for fun and relaxation, not to feel guilty or pass judgment on another. That's what makes this recasting issue so difficult. Both sides can present convincing arguments to one extent or another."
http://www.gremlins.com/kitbuilders/recasts.html
Mario, said as Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood): "Opinions are like ass, everybody has one"
A greeting, is what I think.
JC.
Would you be happy if someone exchanged you counterfeit money ? I don't understand your train of thought, fairness and right and wrong are in the mind of the individual if you cheat or allow others to cheat then you are cheating yourself
Maki
Senior EditorJoined: February 13, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 04:44 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI'm not sure where are you heading with this? Buying from recasters is OK?
Sincerely but without hypocrisies nor false moral: YES
Well, I guess everyone is entitled to his own opinnion... but the way you argumented your statement is a complete BS.
Recasting is stealing. Making profit from someone else's talent and hard work. Period. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone mugged you and stole your paycheck... Since some sculptors make living by selling their figures, I think this is a much better comparison.
Mario
taesung
Vendor
Joined: February 14, 2004
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Posted: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 06:38 AM UTC
In-Production or Out-of-Production, messing with someone else's
intellectual property should not be tolerated.
Happy world or unhappy world, you do not make copies if you don't
have the copyright.
I know these are just some stupid resin figures that some guy with
too much free time sculpted who knows when. It's nothing. Who cares, right?
Well, that is exactly how these recasters from the third world countries
think. So if you would like to sink your integrity down to that level, go ahead.
But check first, though. Maybe it's already there.
intellectual property should not be tolerated.
Happy world or unhappy world, you do not make copies if you don't
have the copyright.
I know these are just some stupid resin figures that some guy with
too much free time sculpted who knows when. It's nothing. Who cares, right?
Well, that is exactly how these recasters from the third world countries
think. So if you would like to sink your integrity down to that level, go ahead.
But check first, though. Maybe it's already there.
Maki
Senior EditorJoined: February 13, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 07:12 AM UTC
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I have things more important to worry, so I will not waste more time with nonsense, goodbye.
Goodbye. This is a site with zero tolerance to illegal figure recasters or their supporters... so don't bother to stop by again anytime soon.
Mario
spoons
Joined: January 09, 2008
KitMaker: 527 posts
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Posted: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 07:15 AM UTC
One of the biggist resin kit producers uses some of tamiyas parts in his masters, whats your take on this ?
taesung
Vendor
Joined: February 14, 2004
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Posted: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 09:15 AM UTC
Guys,
I'm sure we can find a lot of excuses to justify buying counterfeit figures,
sighting all those copyright infringements that are being accepted or ignored
in many other industries.
You do what you have to do because, in the end, it's about your experience
in this hobby and how much you enjoy it.
I'm sure we can find a lot of excuses to justify buying counterfeit figures,
sighting all those copyright infringements that are being accepted or ignored
in many other industries.
You do what you have to do because, in the end, it's about your experience
in this hobby and how much you enjoy it.
taesung
Vendor
Joined: February 14, 2004
KitMaker: 493 posts
Armorama: 340 posts
Posted: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 09:17 AM UTC
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Look at this link please:
https://archive.kitmaker.net/review/3451
Question:
In the image 14 of 22 how many items are copied from other manufacturers?
Verlinden?, AFV?....
The manufacturer of these conversions are not in the Third World Mr. Taesung Harmms.
The manufacturer of these conversions with robbed copies announces in Armorama Mr. Mario Matijasic.
So now Mr.Mario Matijasic:Quoted TextThis is a site with zero tolerance to illegal or figure recasters Their supporters ...
Are you sure of what he says?
Someone should apologize ... but I think it's not me.
Greetings to everyone.
JC.
What happened?
I thought you had other more important things to
worry about and stop wasting your precious time?
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