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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 12:27 AM UTC
has anyone seen the movie Patton? I was watching it with a few friends, and no matter how hard we tried, we could not figure out what kind of German tanks they used. We even looked in a large book of WWII armor and Still could not find it. Personally i thought they looked like T34s and that was just what the guys making the movie could get their hands on. Any ideas on what kind of tanks they are?
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 01:28 AM UTC
IIRC the desert battles used post war M48s. I also believe that the other battles were also M48s.



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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 03:27 AM UTC
The Germans used M-48s. The Americans used M-47s. Both of these were National Guard tanks. I remember hearing most of the desert fighting was filmed in the Ft. Hood area.
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 05:27 AM UTC
You know, when I was a young pup, I really enjoyed all the WWII flicks. As I got a little older and began immersing myself in the Second World War, I realized the fact that many(most) armor in those old movies was actually Allied stuff. Now if I watch a WWII movie, if I see a peice of armor that is not appropriate, I can not watch anymore! I have to turn it off. The same thing happens with cop shows. When you see the bad guy " throwing" the bullets out of a gun, how can I watch? The really bad thing in movies or TV is that for just a little time researching, they could produce more accurate beleivable stuff.

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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 05:57 AM UTC
your absolutely right !!!
Most WWII movies are &*)*(&= when it comes to vehicles...
I know that there is a money limit and a budget. But if Hollywood want to make an accurate movie about WWII use some real autentic vehicles and not fake !!!
This happens also in movies with jets !!!
To use mirages as Soviet planes ???
BRRRRRRRRRR
Even in Longest Day they used US flak as German flak ( so bad movie !!!)
The last series i saw was Band of Brothers and i can tell you that for this series the people behind the scenes did there job superb !!!!
So in my opinion a movie with the wrong equipment is a bad movie how good the story will be ....

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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 06:53 AM UTC

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The Germans used M-48s. The Americans used M-47s. Both of these were National Guard tanks. I remember hearing most of the desert fighting was filmed in the Ft. Hood area.


Amigo--If memory serves me correctly, they filmed the film in Spain using Spainish Army gear. Look at the artillery pieces in the early battle scenes. The 48s and 47s were used as were M3 Half tracks. The winter scenes were taken in the mountain areas of Spain.
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 07:22 AM UTC
they used usa tanks in the moive patton they where M-48s. cause holly wood could find german tanks
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 07:41 AM UTC
I watched History vs. Hollywood and they discussed the use of Spanish M-47s and that the film was made in Spain. Remember this was 1970, Hollywood did not have the resources it has now. Kelly's Heroes was one of the first movies to dress up a tank (Chech T-34) to look like a Tiger. Hollywood was lucky to get a military to agree to lend them tanks.
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 08:21 PM UTC

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I watched History vs. Hollywood and they discussed the use of Spanish M-47s and that the film was made in Spain. Remember this was 1970, Hollywood did not have the resources it has now. Kelly's Heroes was one of the first movies to dress up a tank (Chech T-34) to look like a Tiger. Hollywood was lucky to get a military to agree to lend them tanks.


Rob--thanks for confirming my recollection. I assume this same type Czeck T-34 chassis was the basis for the "Saving Private Ryan" Tiger? I believe the 250 and 251s in that film were the real McCoy's. If you want to puke, recall the terrible job they did with the Israeli Sherman's in "the Big Red One" with Lee Marvin. Lousy!
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 08:24 PM UTC

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they used usa tanks in the moive patton they where M-48s. cause holly wood could find german tanks


Agree, but they belonged to the Spanish Army.
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:07 AM UTC
As far as I know the Tiger 1 used in "Saving Parivate Ryan" only used the T-34 Tracks not the chasis.
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:12 AM UTC
The SPR Tiger was a modified T-34 made to look like a Tiger. Check out the History Channel, their special on the Tiger tank showcases the T-34 "Tiger". They did a good job modifying it; however, it is way too narrow to be a Tiger tank, plus the tank is too small overall in length. Besides, no operational Tiger exists.
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:13 AM UTC

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The Germans used M-48s. The Americans used M-47s. Both of these were National Guard tanks. I remember hearing most of the desert fighting was filmed in the Ft. Hood area.


Amigo--If memory serves me correctly, they filmed the film in Spain using Spainish Army gear. Look at the artillery pieces in the early battle scenes. The 48s and 47s were used as were M3 Half tracks. The winter scenes were taken in the mountain areas of Spain.
DJ

I stand corrected. Comes from closing the TC hatch too fast without a CVC on!
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:47 AM UTC

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The SPR Tiger was a modified T-34 made to look like a Tiger. Check out the History Channel, their special on the Tiger tank showcases the T-34 "Tiger". They did a good job modifying it; however, it is way too narrow to be a Tiger tank, plus the tank is too small overall in length. Besides, no operational Tiger exists.

TheBritish were getting close...check this link out:
Tiger Tank Restoration
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:58 AM UTC
Isn't this the tank that Tamiya copied the engine sound off of for their 1/16 scale Tiger R/C kit? Before that engine blew of course.
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:07 AM UTC

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Isn't this the tank that Tamiya copied the engine sound off of for their 1/16 scale Tiger R/C kit? Before that engine blew of course.

Actually, the recorded the "voice" of the King tiger at Saumur in France. The engine is essentially the same Maybach as the Tiger I
Here's the link- check out the videos...
Tiger's Growl
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:22 AM UTC

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The SPR Tiger was a modified T-34 made to look like a Tiger. Check out the History Channel, their special on the Tiger tank showcases the T-34 "Tiger". They did a good job modifying it; however, it is way too narrow to be a Tiger tank, plus the tank is too small overall in length. Besides, no operational Tiger exists.


Rob--I know the Dutch are hard at work re building one to operational status. The re vitalized hull (very nicely painted I might add) is in the Oosterbeck Museum. We sent the one that we had at Knox to Germany to get patched-up, but I do not believe she will return in running order. Too bad, I bet they are a sight to see when moving.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:18 AM UTC
lol this is great, you guys know wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much about tanks and stu
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