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M-60 tank Non-slip surface ??
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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 - 06:11 AM UTC
Hi all,,,hoping you can help out on this one. Working on the M-60, and im not sure if the NON-SLIP SURFACE was ever applied or not to this vehicle.

If so, could you possibly provide a link/picture showing where it was applied ? I have tried to goggle it, but I mostly get shots of the entire vehicle with little view of the surface to distinguish.

Thanks again in advance for any help offered.
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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 - 08:26 AM UTC
Nope, the non-slip coating wasn't used until the M1a1 on the late '80s. It was not applied on M60 tanks.
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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 - 12:01 PM UTC

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Nope, the non-slip coating wasn't used until the M1a1 on the late '80s. It was not applied on M60 tanks.



Guess the Marines did not here about that.

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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 - 01:54 PM UTC
Front fenders, front glacis slope, and engine deck. That's about all I remember of the anti-slip from my days on the 60A3. There was NONE on the rear fenders! I know because I slid right off of one in FT Hood one dark and rainy morning. Hurt like crazy!
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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 - 01:58 PM UTC
Ed, regardless of what Panzer Gino says yes it was. For the hull apply it to the top of the engine armor deck and tops of the air cleaners. On the turret a patch betwen the TCs and Loaders hatches from the search light cable plug back to the antenna mounts. Outta here, Mike sends . . .
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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 - 04:29 PM UTC
Oh well, I stand corrected then. You learn something new every day. Thanks for the correction. I had never seen one with anti-slip applied.

A few questions. Was it on A1s as well as A3s? It also looks as though it may have been field-applied w/sand mixed into the paint. Was it a factory applied standard, or field applied at unit level?
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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 - 08:21 PM UTC
Ughhh . . .yes, no, sometimes,yes,yes. C'mon man, you're Panzer Gino, if anybody knows you should!
Mike sends . . .
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Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 - 10:10 PM UTC
I see Mike hasn't changed. Anyone with useful info who will actually answer the questions?
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 03:04 AM UTC

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Front fenders, front glacis slope, and engine deck. That's about all I remember of the anti-slip from my days on the 60A3. There was NONE on the rear fenders! I know because I slid right off of one in FT Hood one dark and rainy morning. Hurt like crazy!



Kind of off topic, but I crewed an M728 CEV at Hood in the early 90's. I remember it having anti slip on the front fenders (where I slept) and on the sponson (Bii) boxes on either front ad back. I don't remember any on the turret or anywhere else on the hull.
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 03:13 AM UTC
I never crewed a Slick 60 or M60A1 (for any appreciable time*) so I can't comment on those tanks, but I do recall non-slip surfaces on some of the M60A3TTS tanks we had in Germany. Not on all, but it was present on some of them.

For instance, my tank did not have it, but my platoon sergeant's did. He said it was because he was "special", I told him it was because the Army didn't want his old *butt* to fall off the tank and get hurt!

*Some of those older tanks soldiered on in the National Guard for years after the regular army had switched to M1IP/M1A1s. There's no telling what modernizations were or were not applied throughout their lifespan and across the different state National Guards.
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 11:37 AM UTC
Thanks for the intelligent answers gentlemen. Rob, you confirmed what I thought that not all had it.
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 12:53 PM UTC
No Gino, you thought none of them had it! Go read your first answer. You are very good at working the words after you swing your football bat in public. It is OK if you do not know everything, but not OK when you constantly act like you do. Outta here, Mike sends . . .
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 01:22 PM UTC
For what it's worth, every M60A3 I saw in FT Hood and FT Knox had it applied in the areas that have been mentioned. I have no idea on Slicks or A1s though...
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 01:25 PM UTC
In the mid to late 70's there was a lot of nonstandard paint jobs on all equipment. We used it on our truck fenders too. We just ordered it in gallon cans. It was just 34088 OD with about 2 inches of sand in the bottom of the can. You stirred it up and slopped it on as best you could with a brush. It was later replaced with the two part epoxy 34087 OD color "flight deck compound". It had to be put on with a large putty knife or something.

Jerry
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 02:49 PM UTC
Howdy Jerry, my platoons Lance Criminals "found" some cans of it on ship so we could touch up our tanks before coming back from WESTPAC deployment. It was a dark gray and had to be painted over with some kind of green. Outta here, Mike sends . . .
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 03:13 PM UTC
Mike so what you are saying is you had a bunch of thieves in your plt. You do know CARC paint that is textured has to be sprayed on w/an industrial size sprayer. I mean since you are going to be such an expert now. Why does everyone get bent out of shape on everything said on here. I've said this before we have brothers in harms way tonite and you want to try to get one up on someone. Lets just build plastic!
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 03:25 PM UTC
I guess maybe it depended on what year you are trying to model, and maybe it's an Army or Marines thing. I served on M60A1's for 3 years in the 3rd ACR from 1982-1986 and we did not have any no-slip on those tanks. In Germany I was in the same outfit as PanamaDan, 1-35 Armor. We had M60A3's which we turned into the Mainz Army depot in 1987. They also did not have no-slip on them.
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Posted: Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 05:41 PM UTC
Joey, it was not CARC, just good ol enamel slopped from the 5 gallon can. I am talking the 70s dude. And those LCpls were not thieves but rather procurement specialist. And I am not an expert in anything but when I put forth information I know it to be true or I will not post. And yes, I was actually on tanks briefly in my short service time and I am aware of who is where doing what on this planet tonight but thanks for the reminder. I and others are tired of Mr Gino constantly piping off with bum scoop the past few years and shall continue to call him on it.. His mis-information is not needed and causes confusion among the masses.. Have a better day amigo. Outta here, Mike sends . . .
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Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 12:55 AM UTC
MIke, you like to read certain parts and skip others as well. I admitted I was wrong and thanked you for the correction. There isn't a need to continue to act like a jerk after that. After I was corrected, I asked a few questions to clarify since I suspected not all of them had it applied since I had seen them without it. A simple answer would have sufficed.
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Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 01:33 AM UTC

Now BOYS !! If you dont behave Im gonna put allyall in TIME OUT. Anyhow
Here's my 2 pence. 1988 CEV crewman, our M728's had non-slip on front Glacis all the way up behind drivers hatch. And on air filter lids, and on turret top from mantlet all the way back to winch. As for the M60 thru M60A3, cant offer a note, cause I didn't get to be around Tanks until 97', and then it was Abrams and Bradleys with 30th CBT SPT. Ok I'm outa here........still on POINT
Todd
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Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 11:47 AM UTC
Gino, the three hardest words for some folks to say are "I don't know'. Like I said, it is OK if you do not. Just be patient and someone knowledgeable on that particular subject will chime in with a correct answer. Then we won't be having these threads going on and on about nothing.. These are my last thoughts regarding this matter. And Todd it is good to see you back up on the net.
Outta here, Mike sends . . .
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Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 12:01 PM UTC
Recently I've been helping out a fellow who lives close by who is restoring an A1 from DS. it's also got the anti slip in the areas previously spoken about.. I'll try to get some photos next time I'm out there. If that'll help anyone.

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Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 01:07 PM UTC
Photos are always welcome !
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Posted: Monday, November 01, 2010 - 01:01 PM UTC
M60A2.
When we picked up our A2's in january 1976, they had "no slip" on the front slope, and top of the Aircleaner boxes. SOME had no slip on the front fenders.
Some had it on the smooth top of the back deck.
There was none on the rear curved fenders.
Some had it on the tp of the turret between the mantlet and front of the TC's cupola.
As we picked these tanks up new, at Vilseck, I do not know if the paint was applied at depot level, or factory.
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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 02:24 PM UTC
wow...alot of info.....so if modeling an m60, with or without, you wont be wrong either way.

Thanks all for your info.
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