Bonjour
je suis en train de construire un M247 sgt york de Tamiya et comme il y a beaucoup d'erreur de conception entre la maquette et la réalité , est ce que quelqu'un aurait une photo des épiscopes de toit ? j'aimerais savoir la quantité qu'il y a sur la tourelle
à l'avance merci à tous
sampiero
M247 HELP
Hello
I'm building a Tamiya M247 Sgt York and as there are many design error between the model and reality, does anyone have a picture of bishops roof? I wonder how much there is on the turrets
in advance thank you to all
Sampiero

Salut Sampiero

According to a top view drawing in the old Squadron's " M48 Patton in Action" book, there seems to be 5 vision blocks on the M247 turret top (around the hatch) : 2 facing front, 2 facing right and one facing left...

HTH

Frenchy

A very good roof shot in this post and some turret shots as well.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1285631777/Another+DIVAD+Question---

Looks like the drawing I'm talking about is not that accurate...

Frenchy

Damn youre a day late!!! I was at the AAF Tank Museum yesterday and they have one there (along with a TON of other stuff). I dont know that I would have been much help since they don't allow flash photography

Chris

Salut les maquettistes
MERCI frenchy et Sabot pour les liens . Cela confirme bien que le plan tamiya est faux et celui d' Eduard est correcte pour les épiscopes, celui ci précise bien 4 épiscopes et non 5!
Je vais pouvoir finalisé ma tourelle.
MERCI Chefchris pour la démarche, je leur ai posé plusieurs questions sur ce char mais pour l'instant ils m'ont dit qu'il leur manquait des éléments ???? je leur ai demandé de faire une photo mais je n'ai pas eut de réponses.
je mettrais des photos pour vous montrer mon montage
à bientôt
sampiero

Hello modelers
TAHNK Frenchy and Sabot THANKS for the links. This confirms that the plan tamiya is false and that of Eduard is correct for the bishops, this one makes it clear periscopes 4 and not 5!
I'll be able to finalize my turret.
THANK Chefchris for the process, I asked them several questions about this car but for now they said they lacked the elements?? I asked them to take a picture but I have not had answers.
I would put pictures to show you my setup
see you soon
Sampiero

salut
comme promis voici une avancée de la tourelle, avec les modifications

hello
as promised here is a step forward of the turret, with changes




et voilà, j'espère que cela vous plait
sampiero
and here, I hope you like it
Sampiero

Looks good so far. Looking forward to the next progress photos. You're a brave man taking on this project.
Sorta off topic but I've always wondered why Tamiya decided to produce this kit. M247 Sgt. York was a joke that was loaded with technical problems, controversies, and accusations of corruption. I just read this on wikipedia.com and laughed for a while:

"In February 1982 the (Sgt. York) prototype was demonstrated for a group of US and British officers at Fort Bliss, along with members of Congress and other VIPs. When the computer was activated, it immediately started aiming the guns at the review stands, causing several minor injuries as members of the group jumped for cover."
At one point, its targeting system locked on a bathroom fan! Only about 50 vehicles were produced and cancelled soon after. Maybe Tamiya thought that it would be comical to produce piece of crap? Any ideas? I've read that the kit is a piece of junk, too- based on some wooden mock-up.

bonsoir James
j'aime faire des modèles originaux, que l'on ne voit pas souvent.je pense que tamiya a sorti ce véhicule justement parce qu'il était hors du commun! seulement tamiya n'a pas fait la version avec les modifications du compartiment moteur, ils se sont contente de faire une caisse de M48 basique.
Quand à la tourelle: ils ont fait au plus simple avec les erreurs, bien entendu!
je continus par l'ejecteur de douilles ( un par canon)

good evening james
I love to make original models, wich are not often seen.
I think tamiya released this car just because it was unusual! tamiya has not only the version with the changes in the engine compartment, they are happy to be a case of M48 basic.
When the turret: they made it very simple with the errors, of course!
I continued through the ejector sleeves (one per barrel)


other views


the barrel


le plus dramatique dans cette histoire, c'est que academy a repris le moule ,
On reprend le même et on recommence les conneries.
most dramatic in this story is that the academy has taken over mold,
Based on the same and we start the [auto-censored]

Il y a forcemment de la corruption dans un projet tel que celui ci et à tous les niveaux, j'ai lu qu'il y avait eut la "guerre" entre deux constructeurs américains.
Entre nous la DIVAD aurait mieux fait d'investir dans le leopard ( chassis allemand tout équipé avec sa tourelle anti aérienne ) ...... ils auraient gagné en dollars

There force of corruption in a project like this and at all levels, I read that there was a "war" between two U.S. manufacturers.
Divad between us would have done better to invest in the leopard (chassis equipped with all the German anti-aircraft turret) ...... they would have earned in dollars

bonjour
une petite suite de montage et grace à votre aide voici le dessus du toit avant:
hello
a small editing suite and thanks to your help here is the roof above the front:

après
after

sampiero

salut
nous passons à l'étape suivante, comme vous le constatez il s'agit de rattraper l'erreur de tamiya . ils ont fait les capots non pas en épaisseur (côté droit) mais en retrait (côté gauche).
hello
we move to the next step, as you can see it is to catch the error of tamiya. they made the covers not thick (right side) but down (left side)

voici ce que cela donne avec les anneaux de levage
here is what it gives with the lifting

finition des capots
finishing caps

la suite à demain
Following tomorrow

salut
une reprise du montage avec la mise en place des antennes
hello
a cover assembly with the installation of antennas

voici une fabrication maison d'ecrous en résine
Here is a homemade nuts of resin



la partie la plus difficile à réaliser c'est le compartiment arrière:
après un découpage dans les règles et quelques essais cela donne ça
the most difficult to achieve is the rear compartment:
after a breakdown in the rules and some testing it looks like that




c'est tout pour ce week end
à bientôt
that's it for this weekend
see you soon

bonjoure à tous
j'espère que le père noel vous à gater! voici une vue qui montre la différence entre les deux chassis;
hello all
I hope that Father Christmas to spoil you! here is a view that shows the difference between the two chassis


Vous pouvez constater et comparer les deux blindés avec la tourelle
You can see and compare the two tanks with the turret


et voic la dernière modification sur le compartiment moteur
And here is the last modification on the engine compartment


en attendant la suite... je vous souhaite une bonne année pour 2011
pending further ... I wish you a Happy New Year for 2011
sampiero

bonjour à tous
je reprends du service après une longue absence pour terminer mon M247 ; les protèges phares sont remplacés par de la photodecoupe

hello all
I resume the service after a long absence pure finish my
M247 ;les protèges phares sont remplacés par de la photodecoupe

Mise en place des éléments
Essayez avec cette orthographe : les protèges phares sont remplacés par
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Introduction of elements

les phares sont creusés, peints et remplis de résine transparente
the lights are cut, painted and filled with transparent resin

vue de l'ensemble avant peinture
view of the assembly before painting



à la prochaine étape / / the next step
sampiero

Another cold warrior that seem to get the treatment it deserves. Nice work so far! Keep us posted.

Cheers,
/E

Bertucci
well done what brass set did you use
dave

great work! always wanted this kit

helo Dave
I used the Eduard photoetched from home, there are two references but when I started my M247 there was only one.
I would put the future references if you can help

jo

hi Matt
it is found rather easily and more Academy took over the mold
jo

the shielded receives a very fine gray primer, used in car body.

Until it dries, it proceeds to mount Track M48A5 / M60A3 home Bronco, type "link by link" is very realistic, the only downside is the installation. It is fragile and we must be careful not to lose (hopefully bronco has provided sufficient)

the beginning




the work of aging and dirt will come later

this is it! it is the end ...... expecting him to make a diorama






bye
sampiero

Bertucci,

I wish I'd seen this build earlier, but it looks like you've done the SGT York justice. We've got one here in the collection and I'm contemplating doing the same 'accurization' project. I spent half an hour sitting in the turret the other day. Now I'm trying to decide whether I want to scratchbuild the control panels in the open position to show the gun breeches or not....

Great job!

Jon

thank you jon
you're lucky to be back inside, the hardest thing was to have beautiful, detailed photos of the turret but thanks to the members I could modify it.
even the museum was unable to take pictures! I intended to open the covers without documentation or picture I gave up ...
I think putting the power of the guns with the covers open is a good idea .... must go! courage.
I'm interested if you have documentation to make another more detailed model
see you soon

My plan was to shoot a full walkaround of the York this week. I've been out of the office, however, and haven't had a chance to. Possibly tomorrow, but if not, I should be able to do it next Friday.

Jon

I worked on this system years ago at Ford Aerospace I thought they were all destroyed. It just didnt work. sorry no pictures, as it was classified.
JD
PS Try Primeportal.com there are 4 sets of photos, and it did lock on to the S*** house a friend told me.