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Armor/AFV: What If?
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BTR-80A vs. Stryker
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Posted: Monday, November 22, 2010 - 03:56 PM UTC
I know this is like a grade school child's topic but I was thinking of doing a dio of Stryker passing by a blown-up BTR-80A after a direct engagement.

If they did really engage in an one on one battle, which vehicle would prevail?

Could it have happened during OIF? Just getting my imagination running.

Let me know what your thoughts are.
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Posted: Monday, November 22, 2010 - 04:48 PM UTC
If anything it'd have to be an M1128 MGS or ATGM
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Posted: Monday, November 22, 2010 - 05:09 PM UTC
Considering Strykers were deployed several months after the initial invasion, I'd hesitate to say any engaged any Iraqi armor.
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Posted: Monday, November 22, 2010 - 06:12 PM UTC
It works for OEF very well. There are still a lot of BTR 80s on the sides of the road leftover from previous battles. A stryker could be passing by one very easily.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 06:44 AM UTC

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It works for OEF very well. There are still a lot of BTR 80s on the sides of the road leftover from previous battles. A stryker could be passing by one very easily.


O, nice! So it can be an accurate depiction. Thanks Rob!
Out of curiosity reasons, any idea if a regular M1126 engaged a BTR-80A, would a M2 .50 and granade launcher be able to stop it? Or BTR-80A's 30 mm 2A72 gun will easily knock out a Stryker?
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Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 04:37 PM UTC
I would say no question that a 30mm would pretty much slice through a stryker, but did the Iraqis have BTR80s with the 30mm gun? I would think most if not all of theirs would be with the 14.5mm MG turret. The 30mm likely didn't make it much outside of the Russian Army.

That being said I could be wrong. I would think a .50cal would do some damage on a BTR80, and in the right spot might stop/slow it down, ditto with the grenade launcher....but the 30mm would do quite the number on pretty much any armor short of a MBT.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 04:39 PM UTC
Good what if idea....Did or do the Iraqis used the BTR-80A?

Looking at the weapon systems on the BTR-80A and the basic Stryker M1126 I would dare to say that the BTR-80A would win the engagement. The 2A72 30mm cannon on the BTR-80A has a range against armour of between 1500 m and 2000 m.....it would be engaging the Stryker effectively before the Stryker .50 Cal or Mk.19 would have any effect at all.

Have fun with your project!
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Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 09:45 PM UTC
The squad in back of Stryker could deply with AT missiles. AT-4 or Javelin?
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Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 09:49 PM UTC
Hello Guys,
nice idea with a Stryker rolling next to destroyed BTR.

The only thing that worries me about this discussion is, would I as a battalion commander or the one who plans a strike for a occupied city etc. go with a Stryker platoon or company if I knew that my opposing force uses BTR-80A with a 30mm cannon ? Or would I instead go for Bradleys ?

Not to ruin your build idea James, this is just what I was thinking about.
But as I said at the beginning of my post, the idea is quite interesting and I hope you are going to build this !

Cheers Alex
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Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 01:32 AM UTC
Combat is more than 1 vehicle vs. 1 other vehicle. Vehicles don't usually run completely independently. There are lots of possible outcomes...

Ideas...

Stryker was spotting for air support who knocked out the BTR

Stryker was supported by Abrams/other heavier armament who knocked out the BTR

Knocked out BTR is from a previous battle
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Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 09:06 AM UTC

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Good what if idea....Did or do the Iraqis used the BTR-80A?
Looking at the weapon systems on the BTR-80A and the basic Stryker M1126 I would dare to say that the BTR-80A would win the engagement. The 2A72 30mm cannon on the BTR-80A has a range against armour of between 1500 m and 2000 m.....it would be engaging the Stryker effectively before the Stryker .50 Cal or Mk.19 would have any effect at all.


First, thanks a lot guys for the comments- very helpful. I got the answer I was looking for- BTR-80A will likely win against Stryker in some hypothetical one on one engagement without other factors present.
I don't think Iraqis used 80A's. Unless it's a scene from OEF, in which Stryker is simply passing by an old busted BTR, this diorama will not be historically accurate.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 10:12 AM UTC
If you can wait a few weeks, I'll send you a photo of just such a BTR in Afghanistan. In fact, there's a sign by it with a mural depicting how it, and several other vehicles met their demise that day. Unfortunately it is home on my external drive.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 03:48 PM UTC

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If you can wait a few weeks, I'll send you a photo of just such a BTR in Afghanistan. In fact, there's a sign by it with a mural depicting how it, and several other vehicles met their demise that day. Unfortunately it is home on my external drive.


Nice! Thanks Rob, and I'll gladly take the photo from you.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 06:10 PM UTC

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Did or do the Iraqis used the BTR-80A?


No and the Soviets did not use it Afganistan. You could have a Stryker going past a regular BTR-80 in Afganistan, but not a Soviet BTR-80A.
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Posted: Thursday, November 25, 2010 - 04:49 AM UTC

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Did or do the Iraqis used the BTR-80A?


No and the Soviets did not use it Afganistan. You could have a Stryker going past a regular BTR-80 in Afganistan, but not a Soviet BTR-80A.


Whichis why my very first response to this thread states There are still a lot of BTR 80s...

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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2012 - 10:12 AM UTC
Ive got a better idea.
A BTR rolling past a destroyed Stryker.
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