Another email I recieved of late. Please help out if you can. - Thanks. Jim
Dear Sirs,
Good day. Excellent site.
My name is Thanasis Georgiou and I need your help. I'm building the Tamiya's 1/35, M60 (re-active armor-green camouflage) and I need for reference some photos.
Waiting for your reply.
Thanasis
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M60 Reference pics?
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 07:34 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 08:02 AM UTC
As long as we're asking....was anyone in Germany '61/'62 with 3AD 3/32? Gonna build an A1 for my uncle, but need it to be a surprise...so I can't ask him fer pics....
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 10:02 AM UTC
Definately go to http://www.battletanks.com for reference of the plain 'ol M60. But that reactive armor? Hmmm. That's a good one. I'd like to see some shots of that myself.
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 - 07:29 PM UTC
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I served with 3-32 Armor (Victory or Death) in the desert, but the battalion was assigned to the 1st Cavalry Division at the time. But 61-62, wasn't even a gleen in my daddy's eye.As long as we're asking....was anyone in Germany '61/'62 with 3AD 3/32? Gonna build an A1 for my uncle, but need it to be a surprise...so I can't ask him fer pics....
Verlinden Warmachines #3 has a couple of pictures of a USMC M60A1 with ERA, not worth getting the book for the pictures, but I can scan & e-mail. The Osprey Desert Storm Special #1 Land Power also has a good photo of one with the mine plow attached.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:47 AM UTC
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As long as we're asking....was anyone in Germany '61/'62 with 3AD 3/32? Gonna build an A1 for my uncle, but need it to be a surprise...so I can't ask him fer pics....
Amigo--I was in high school, but my oldest brother was in Germany during the Berlin Crisis. Recalling what he told me, most units had the M-48s. I am betting that if the 3AD had the successor to the M-48, it had to be the M-60 not the M60A1. Externally, I can think of only the aluminum air cleaner boxes on the original 60 replaced by the armored boxes on subsequent models. They were uniquely shaped. Internally, you have beaucoup (that's French for many) alterations. Are you just doing an OOB type or are you super detailing?
DJ
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:27 AM UTC
It's going to be SOB. And I did misspeak, they were M60's. Everytime I bid on one on ebay, I loose out. As far as the build, I'll throw the obligitory canvas, packs and varoius odds & ends on the outer....but I'm not gonna go nuts. Does anyone have an old Tamiya M60 they would care to swap for an AMT M60A1 Blazer? Or perhaps have one for sale? Ebay is getting ANNOYING! I also have some other swapables....I'll go look and list more later.
Z
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:37 AM UTC
kf8
IIRC, the ESCI/AMT M60 is more accurate than the Tamiya offering. The new Italeri M60 is a re-pop of the ESCI molds. I think there qre several posts concerning this.
IIRC, the ESCI/AMT M60 is more accurate than the Tamiya offering. The new Italeri M60 is a re-pop of the ESCI molds. I think there qre several posts concerning this.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:49 AM UTC
Pipesmoker,
I haven't seen a plain jane M60 in any of the shops around here. And I wouldn't mind trying another offering. I built him the Tamiya version when I was 13 (I think I'm much better now). I'll have to do a little more investigating. Another thought, besides the aircleaners mentioned earlier....is there any other MAJOR change needed to backdate an A1 to a straight 60?
I haven't seen a plain jane M60 in any of the shops around here. And I wouldn't mind trying another offering. I built him the Tamiya version when I was 13 (I think I'm much better now). I'll have to do a little more investigating. Another thought, besides the aircleaners mentioned earlier....is there any other MAJOR change needed to backdate an A1 to a straight 60?
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Another thought, besides the aircleaners mentioned earlier....is there any other MAJOR change needed to backdate an A1 to a straight 60?
I assume you mean other than the obvious major difference in the turret? The only differences I can recall were the air cleaners, and (I think; check it to be sure) there was no infantry phone on the rear fender. We had them sitting side-by-side in the motorpool (back when the Reserves still got the castoffs
) and the hulls were pretty much identical.Sabot
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 07:02 AM UTC
In 1/35, there is no OOB straight 60. The turret is completely different, looks more like an M48's turret than an M60A1/M60A3 turret. Tamiya did a 1/48 scale motorized M60, M60A1 and M60A1E1(aka M60A2) but these kits are rare and long out-of-production (yes, I have one of each). AEF Designs does an M60 turret for $22.00. I'd trade you a Blazer for an old Tamiya M60A1, but to be honest, the AMT Blazer can be built as an M60A1, and a better one at that.
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I believe I stand corrected regarding my last e mail regarding the M-60. 
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:04 AM UTC
Hey guys, and this goes for ALL....If anyone needs something from, or needs something checked from AEF Designs, I can do that for you. AEF Designs is 20 minutes from my home.
So if there's a need from the members, please let me know. That includes you kf8xo!
Tread
So if there's a need from the members, please let me know. That includes you kf8xo!
Tread
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:08 AM UTC
Okay, the turret will take care of that. I haven't looked at nor built anything but M113's and all the varients for the past 9 years or so....Sorry for some of the less than educated questions. And thanks fer the input.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:12 AM UTC
THANKS TREAD! I'll let you know. So is the M60 Turret more like the M48's?? I have to do a little net research...hmmmmmmmm. Would seem I built the wrong one all those years ago! DOH!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:20 AM UTC
Never Mind! I just answered my own question...(geez)
Sabot, is the Blazer a good enough kit to mate to the AEF Turret? (IYHO)
Sabot, is the Blazer a good enough kit to mate to the AEF Turret? (IYHO)
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:49 AM UTC
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Yes, if you are talking about the AMT kit. It is basically an M60A1 with a set of Israeli Blazer armor included. This kit is originally made by Esci and was also packaged by AMT/Ertl in the US and now has become the property of Italeri. It is the best 1/35 scale M60 series kit. Much better than the 3 different Tamiya kits (old M60A1, M60A3 105mm, USMC M60A1 w/ERA) and is better than the Academy kits (#1349, 1358, 1390). Stay away from the Trumpeter M60 series kits (any of them)! If you disregard my advice (cost me $20+tax to learn this), I will go to your house and take away your X-acto knife. If you do not have an X-acto knife, I will give you one, then take it away from you. Sabot, is the Blazer a good enough kit to mate to the AEF Turret? (IYHO)
Esci issued three versions of the same kit; M60A1 Patton (#5039), M60A3 Patton TTS (#5040), and the M60 Blazer (#5042). Each had a different sprue included to make the specific version. Of the 3, the M60A1 or the Blazer will be the best bet for the hull since it will have the earlier air cleaners included. The only problem is that the Esci/AMT/Italeri M60 kits come with the later style T-142 track with "football" shaped replaceable track pads. Early M60s (and M60A1s) used the chevron patterned tracks found in the old Tamiya M60A1/M60A3/M48A3 kits. AFV Club makes the proper tracks (AF3505), but I would gladly trade a set of vinyl Tamiya early tracks for a set of Esci link & length later tracks. :-)
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 02:30 PM UTC
I have the M-60 Turret by AEF and it is a good kit, though, like most "garage" resin kits it need TLC. You will need the gun, cupola, most of the other doo-doo on the outside of the turret and stuff to complete the kit, but that all comes with the M-60A1 kits. The chassis is pretty darn close, so any mods you should have to make are minor there.
I echo the comment on the Trumpeter crap... it is just that.
The AFV tracks are worth every penny spent and really give a tank a nice feel of weight and look great. I have not used a set of vinyl tracks on any of my Pattons.
I echo the comment on the Trumpeter crap... it is just that.
The AFV tracks are worth every penny spent and really give a tank a nice feel of weight and look great. I have not used a set of vinyl tracks on any of my Pattons.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 08:08 PM UTC
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I have the M-60 Turret by AEF and it is a good kit, though, like most "garage" resin kits it need TLC. You will need the gun, cupola, most of the other doo-doo on the outside of the turret and stuff to complete the kit, but that all comes with the M-60A1 kits. The chassis is pretty darn close, so any mods you should have to make are minor there.
I echo the comment on the Trumpeter crap... it is just that.
The AFV tracks are worth every penny spent and really give a tank a nice feel of weight and look great. I have not used a set of vinyl tracks on any of my Pattons.
I echo you on the AFV track. I put a set on my M-8 and marvel at it. I bought a set for the next Sherman I am completing (Tamiya 105). The agony of putting it together - - reminds me of doing the real thing (blah!)-- is worth every second of pain. 2-2 Can you post a photo of your M-48?
thanks
DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 08:12 PM UTC
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Hey guys, and this goes for ALL....If anyone needs something from, or needs something checked from AEF Designs, I can do that for you. AEF Designs is 20 minutes from my home.
So if there's a need from the members, please let me know. That includes you kf8xo!
Tread
Tread--Congrats on the Avs win. Onto to Detroit. Reference your comment on AEF design products, do they make a mine roller for the Sherman? I am going crazy looking for a roller. Can't find one.
thanks
DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 09:02 PM UTC
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I've got a set of the M-48/60/88 track and the M-3/5/8 track too. When I saw someone's M-88 done with the AFV Club track, it was nicely detailed, but the way all the end connectors were askew, it looked like every other track block was dead. I've debated whether or not it is worth the effort to use them.I echo you on the AFV track. I put a set on my M-8 and marvel at it. I bought a set for the next Sherman I am completing (Tamiya 105). The agony of putting it together - - reminds me of doing the real thing (blah!)-- is worth every second of pain...
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 10:20 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI've got a set of the M-48/60/88 track and the M-3/5/8 track too. When I saw someone's M-88 done with the AFV Club track, it was nicely detailed, but the way all the end connectors were askew, it looked like every other track block was dead. I've debated whether or not it is worth the effort to use them.I echo you on the AFV track. I put a set on my M-8 and marvel at it. I bought a set for the next Sherman I am completing (Tamiya 105). The agony of putting it together - - reminds me of doing the real thing (blah!)-- is worth every second of pain...
They're worth using Sabot - the modeler just has to take more time and square up all the end connectors. You don't have to glue them in place, so tight is the fit, but since they remain semi-workable, the modeler has to go back and straighten them out. On my M60A2 I used two sanding sticks to pinch a run of end connectors between to make it quicker...
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Gunnie--you hit the nail on the head. The first error everyone makes with their AFV track is not to read the instructions. I did not follow their idiot proof instructions and could not initially figure out why the track was so stiff. (Double "Duh" for DJ. No glue required! There goes all that college learning, again.) I used needle nose pliers to tighten the end connectors once they were correctly assembled. Beautiful to use. Tedious, but well worth the time.
DJ
I did not follow their idiot proof instructions and could not initially figure out why the track was so stiff. (Double "Duh" for DJ. No glue required! There goes all that college learning, again.) I used needle nose pliers to tighten the end connectors once they were correctly assembled. Beautiful to use. Tedious, but well worth the time.DJ
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 03:21 AM UTC
I am curious...In my battalion we had a storage rack for the Xenon searchlight on the rear turret corner, on the edge of the turret ventilator bulge. Was this a common mod? I have seen a few other tanks with this mod, but I don't know how many other units did it. On the rare occasions we carried those fragile monsters, we carried them on the storage rack instead of on the gun shield. The exception was gunnery, when most of them were mounted.
For those who don't know, the Xenon searchlight was the big boxy light that came in the Tamiya kit ot the M60A1. It was an incredibly powerful white light, and could also be run on IR. It was rather fragile, and hated even tiny amounts of moisture. The searchlight generated so much heat that the TC's switch was a momentary type so it couldn't be left on, and we were limited to about 15 seconds every 3-4 minutes. You would lay onto the target using azimuth and elevation info from the range card that you made in daylight, then your wingman would turn on his light for you to shoot by. Ours were normally stored on an equipment shop floor, and required careful checkout before being mounted on the tank. When we carried them, we usually hung them on the storage rack, since they made a huge blind spot for both the TC and loader when they were mounted on the gun shield.
I have some photos I took of these storage racks, and I will try to find and scan them. In the meantime, does anyone have comments or recollections about these darn things?
For those who don't know, the Xenon searchlight was the big boxy light that came in the Tamiya kit ot the M60A1. It was an incredibly powerful white light, and could also be run on IR. It was rather fragile, and hated even tiny amounts of moisture. The searchlight generated so much heat that the TC's switch was a momentary type so it couldn't be left on, and we were limited to about 15 seconds every 3-4 minutes. You would lay onto the target using azimuth and elevation info from the range card that you made in daylight, then your wingman would turn on his light for you to shoot by. Ours were normally stored on an equipment shop floor, and required careful checkout before being mounted on the tank. When we carried them, we usually hung them on the storage rack, since they made a huge blind spot for both the TC and loader when they were mounted on the gun shield.
I have some photos I took of these storage racks, and I will try to find and scan them. In the meantime, does anyone have comments or recollections about these darn things?
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