_GOTOBOTTOM
Armor/AFV: Modern Armor
Modern armor in general.
Hosted by Darren Baker
Revell Otzelot/LeFla
mmeier
Visit this Community
Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Joined: October 22, 2008
KitMaker: 1,280 posts
Armorama: 1,015 posts
Posted: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 06:46 AM UTC
The Otzelot has just appeared in my prefered dealers webshop here in germany. Still listed as "on backorder" but from experience that means "will arrive within the week"
jwest21
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 07:48 AM UTC
Nice...I never did hear....is this all new tool or does it involve the AFV Club Wiesel in some way?
viper29_ca
Visit this Community
New Brunswick, Canada
Joined: October 18, 2002
KitMaker: 2,247 posts
Armorama: 1,138 posts
Posted: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 09:15 AM UTC
New tool, it is built on an extended Wiesel Chassis, longer chassis than the AFV Wiesel
jwest21
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 09:19 AM UTC
Thanks Scott!
mmeier
Visit this Community
Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Joined: October 22, 2008
KitMaker: 1,280 posts
Armorama: 1,015 posts
Posted: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 11:27 AM UTC
An link to the Revell Germany catalog page. As soon as I have the kit (It's ordered) I try to post a few shots of the sprues
ptruhe
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Joined: March 05, 2003
KitMaker: 2,092 posts
Armorama: 1,607 posts
Posted: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 02:06 PM UTC
Are the Wiesel 2's all using the new track?

Paul
HermannB
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: October 14, 2008
KitMaker: 4,099 posts
Armorama: 4,067 posts
Posted: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 09:35 PM UTC
Hi Paul,

Yes the Wiesel 2 family used a new individual link steel track with end connectors. The Wiesel 1 TOW and MK had a one-piece rubber band track with steel cables inside(similar to the US halftrack). So this means that you can`t use the AFV Club Wiesel kits for later theaters like Kosovo or Afghanistan.

Cheers
Hans-Hermann
HermannB
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: October 14, 2008
KitMaker: 4,099 posts
Armorama: 4,067 posts
Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 04:22 AM UTC
Hi all,

just picked my Wiesel 2 LeFlaSys Ozelot in my LHS. I am very surprised about the excellent quality of the sprues. Looks like Revell created a "perfect" kit for the first time. Kit contains four sprues, vinyl tracks and decals for all three AA batteries of the Bundeswehr. And the parts on the spures suggest that we might the AFF radar track by next year. A good buy for 18€.

Cheers
Hans-Hermann
WarWheels
Visit this Community
Illinois, United States
Joined: March 24, 2006
KitMaker: 1,816 posts
Armorama: 1,402 posts
Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 08:26 AM UTC
Thanks for the info Hans-Hermann. I'm glad to hear of the high level of quality of the kit. I was hoping it would be better than some of their past releases.


Quoted Text

just picked my Wiesel 2 LeFlaSys Ozelot in my LHS. I am very surprised about the excellent quality of the sprues. Looks like Revell created a "perfect" kit for the first time.

ptruhe
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Joined: March 05, 2003
KitMaker: 2,092 posts
Armorama: 1,607 posts
Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 08:51 AM UTC
Great. Finally a Wiesel 2.

Paul
Vodnik
Visit this Community
Warszawa, Poland
Joined: March 26, 2003
KitMaker: 4,342 posts
Armorama: 3,938 posts
Posted: Friday, December 17, 2010 - 08:54 AM UTC

Quoted Text

just picked my Wiesel 2 LeFlaSys Ozelot in my LHS. I am very surprised about the excellent quality of the sprues. Looks like Revell created a "perfect" kit for the first time.


Really?... I checked all photos of Revell "demo" model available online very carefully and was very disappointed with what I saw. Details were nowhere near the AFV Club Wiesels quality. But maybe it was built from early test shots? Can you post some close up photos of parts?

Pawel
HermannB
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: October 14, 2008
KitMaker: 4,099 posts
Armorama: 4,067 posts
Posted: Friday, December 17, 2010 - 09:32 AM UTC
Hello Pawel,

pics of the OZELOT will be uploaded soon, I hope my camera caught it.

Cheers
Hans-Hermann
ptruhe
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Joined: March 05, 2003
KitMaker: 2,092 posts
Armorama: 1,607 posts
Posted: Friday, December 17, 2010 - 07:19 PM UTC
Here are HermannB's build photos.

There are a couple of grills/screens areas that are crying out for PE but still better than no Wiesel 2 at all.











Paul
spaarndammer
Visit this Community
Noord-Holland, Netherlands
Joined: January 28, 2007
KitMaker: 1,945 posts
Armorama: 282 posts
Posted: Friday, December 17, 2010 - 08:43 PM UTC
That looks like a very nice kit!
merkavafan
Visit this Community
Northern Territory, Australia
Joined: March 22, 2009
KitMaker: 59 posts
Armorama: 56 posts
Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 06:35 PM UTC
does anyone have pictures of the tracks please!!?? I think a lot of people would like to see them.
Cheers,
Andy
HermannB
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: October 14, 2008
KitMaker: 4,099 posts
Armorama: 4,067 posts
Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 07:08 PM UTC
Hi Andrew,

I do some pics of the track today at daylight, since in artificial light, my camera didn´t get them right. Please be patient.

Hans-Hermann
Leopard-2
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: November 10, 2009
KitMaker: 229 posts
Armorama: 220 posts
Posted: Sunday, December 19, 2010 - 01:29 AM UTC
Finally a possibility to replace the awful tracks from the AFV kit!
ptruhe
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Joined: March 05, 2003
KitMaker: 2,092 posts
Armorama: 1,607 posts
Posted: Sunday, December 19, 2010 - 08:55 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Finally a possibility to replace the awful tracks from the AFV kit!



Except these are longer because of the additional roadwheel and the new track style.

Here are HermannB's track pictures:




Paul
Leopard-2
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: November 10, 2009
KitMaker: 229 posts
Armorama: 220 posts
Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 09:55 AM UTC
[quote]
Quoted Text

Finally a possibility to replace the awful tracks from the AFV kit!



Except these are longer because of the additional roadwheel and the new track style.

/quote]

The new tracks were also adopted to the Wiesel 1 and slashing the track to the length needed for the AFV Club kits is done within seconds.
ptruhe
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Joined: March 05, 2003
KitMaker: 2,092 posts
Armorama: 1,607 posts
Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 10:36 AM UTC

Quoted Text

The new tracks were also adopted to the Wiesel 1 and slashing the track to the length needed for the AFV Club kits is done within seconds.



I suspected as much. Is there a big change to the drive sprocket to support the new track?

Also, is there a firm date as to when the new tracks were used?

Thanks,
Paul
Leopard-2
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: November 10, 2009
KitMaker: 229 posts
Armorama: 220 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 12:36 AM UTC
I don't see any difference on the drive spockets on photos of Wiesel 1 fitted with the new tracks. Drive spockets, road wheels and idler wheels are the same as the ones mounted on vehicles fitted with the old track (like the AFV kit is). So i guess it should work withouht any problems and changes.

It would have been illogical and uneconomical to design new tracks for which you have to change big parts of the running gear. The old track was all made of rubber. The newer one is a modern, "living" track with end connectors developed and produced by Diehl, is made of steel and has removable rubber pads. So the new tracks are on the current state of the art and much more durable.

I don't know when the new tracks where introduced. I haven't even seen photos of Wiesel 1s in service fitted with the old tracks yet expect the prototype made by Porsche.
HermannB
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: October 14, 2008
KitMaker: 4,099 posts
Armorama: 4,067 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 01:19 AM UTC
Hi all,

yes there is a difference in the sprockets. On the early rubberband track, one can spot teeth inbetween the sprockethalves. AFV Club reproduced with PE parts. On the new living track there rods between the halves that transport the guide teeth. Also, the outer surfaces of the sprockets are of different design.
I don`t exactly knew when the new track was fielded, but I guess it was somewhen in the mid 1990`s.

HTH
Hans-Hermann
Leopard-2
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Joined: November 10, 2009
KitMaker: 229 posts
Armorama: 220 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 06:24 AM UTC
Just looked at some reference photos. I was wrong indeed!

In fact the drive spockets for the new tracks are totally new and actually not round but more like "angularly". But that doesn't matter. If you buy a Revell Otzelot kit to use it's tracks you can also use the drive spockets.
ptruhe
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Joined: March 05, 2003
KitMaker: 2,092 posts
Armorama: 1,607 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 07:06 PM UTC
Old sprocket:


New sprocket:
franziska44
Visit this Community
Krakow, Poland
Joined: July 26, 2010
KitMaker: 50 posts
Armorama: 49 posts
Posted: Monday, December 27, 2010 - 11:08 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Finally a possibility to replace the awful tracks from the AFV kit!


If you tak the tracks from the Revell kit what will you do with te "barefoot" model?
 _GOTOTOP