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Adhering Plaster to Wood
shonen_red
Joined: February 20, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 02:28 PM UTC
Hi, I wanna know how you adhere plaster of paris to wood. Last time I did it, the plaster didn't adhere well to the wooden base and it all went wrong. What substance shoud I put to adhere it to the base tightly?
Neill
Joined: May 26, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 05:20 PM UTC
Simple solution. Use a drill & a 1/4 inch bit and drill a series of holes into the wood about 1/2-2/4 inches apart and 1/8 to1/2 inch deep - ( I varies the deep to get a better grip) then pour and spatula your plaster onto the base or wall. The holes will fill with the plaster and give it something to hold on to... I also recommend you check out Durham Water Putty. Works just like plaster, but is much stronger and more durable. Dries like rock and it can be textured to look just like soil, or concrete, carved to make brick or stone and it is easy to sand or drill. Attached are some pictures to help explain what I mean. Or you can go to diorama’s website at Hunter or Hunted
Good Luck!
john
http://www.johnneill.com
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dioman
Joined: June 06, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 05:37 PM UTC
When I used to us plaster of paris for bases....I used to score the wood with an e-acto knife really deep and add a lot of white glue to the plaster mix.....if you're putting it on thick though this won't work as the weight will pull it off eventually.
I would suggest trying to move away from plaster of paris for bases and going to Celluclay or the water putty Neill suggested......I'm sure there are other products out there too that would be better than plaster.
I would suggest trying to move away from plaster of paris for bases and going to Celluclay or the water putty Neill suggested......I'm sure there are other products out there too that would be better than plaster.
panzerseba
Joined: May 27, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 05:43 PM UTC
you can use nails and wire to make a net on the wood and after put the plaster that will adere to the net (is the way that make the walls in constructions)
in other hand i think is better to use celuclay instead of plaster - is easyer and lighter.
in other hand i think is better to use celuclay instead of plaster - is easyer and lighter.
shonen_red
Joined: February 20, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 07:49 PM UTC
Thanks everyone! I wanna try celluclay but it is not locally available so I stick to plaster.
MadMax
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:06 PM UTC
thx neill for that great method!
laurie
Joined: July 02, 2003
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:43 AM UTC
Hi Neill, great pics!! Where can I find them on the internet???
Laurie
Laurie
kayelbe
Joined: May 21, 2002
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:02 AM UTC
Shonen:
To clarify what others have said:
Take window screen (from a hardware/home supply store) and staple it to your base where you want the groundwork. The screen allows the plaster to hold on. It worked for me when I used to rely on Plaster of Paris.
kev
To clarify what others have said:
Take window screen (from a hardware/home supply store) and staple it to your base where you want the groundwork. The screen allows the plaster to hold on. It worked for me when I used to rely on Plaster of Paris.
kev
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:04 PM UTC
I am currently building a small base for a 1/16 figure. I cast a flat rectangle of plaster, and scribed cobblestones to it. Then to fix it in place, I scored the timber base and the bottom of the plaster base and used straight white glue and it worked perfectly. I left it for 24 hours and added a little weight. No problems. I will be posting pics of this in the next few days ..... I will addone to this thread.
Shonen ...... what did you use the last time?
Shonen ...... what did you use the last time?
Neill
Joined: May 26, 2003
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:54 PM UTC
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Hi Neill, great pics!! Where can I find them on the internet???
Laurie
Hi Laurie,
My stuff is at http://www.johnneill.com that specifc piece is called
"Hunter or Hunted"
thanks!
John
www.johnneill.com
shonen_red
Joined: February 20, 2003
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:54 PM UTC
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I am currently building a small base for a 1/16 figure. I cast a flat rectangle of plaster, and scribed cobblestones to it. Then to fix it in place, I scored the timber base and the bottom of the plaster base and used straight white glue and it worked perfectly. I left it for 24 hours and added a little weight. No problems. I will be posting pics of this in the next few days ..... I will addone to this thread.
Shonen ...... what did you use the last time?
Well, I had tried it on my Harrier dio. I cannot give any pics because the whole dio was destroyed. It looks like this: The scene is in snow and the Harrier is about to take off. The worst part here is the snow around the sides (plaster). It did not stick to wood and there you go, it crack and split apart.
jusjus80
Joined: July 13, 2003
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:01 PM UTC
wow i never thought of drilling heaps of holes into the base work itself usuall i just add white glue to the equation and it works for me anyway but so far my dios havent been so extravagent!!
shonen_red
Joined: February 20, 2003
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Posted: Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:44 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Simple solution. Use a drill & a 1/4 inch bit and drill a series of holes into the wood about 1/2-2/4 inches apart and 1/8 to1/2 inch deep - ( I varies the deep to get a better grip) then pour and spatula your plaster onto the base or wall. The holes will fill with the plaster and give it something to hold on to... I also recommend you check out Durham Water Putty. Works just like plaster, but is much stronger and more durable. Dries like rock and it can be textured to look just like soil, or concrete, carved to make brick or stone and it is easy to sand or drill. Attached are some pictures to help explain what I mean. Or you can go to diorama’s website at Hunter or Hunted
Good Luck!
john[
Neil, thanks for the help dude! I did some drilling a while ago. Is it ok to drill irregularly? I mean, the distance between holes?
Neill
Joined: May 26, 2003
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Posted: Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 11:02 AM UTC
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Neil, thanks for the help dude! I did some drilling a while ago. Is it ok to drill irregularly? I mean, the distance between holes?
I personal think the irregular spacing wrk just as well as perfect measured and spaced holes. Frankly I am to lazy to lay out a perfect grid and make perfect holes. I just chuck a bit and go for it tiil it look good to me. Just try to avoid any large spaces of undrill area and you should be good to go.
John
www.johnneill.com
KFMagee
Joined: January 08, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 09:27 AM UTC
Not much to add... I use a combination of three methods, depending on shape or position.... I either rough the surface with sandpaper and then gouge with a knife for something simple like a base, or add mesh wire with staples m for walls, but when working with a HUGE piece of plaster/wood, I will drill holes AND use mesh.
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