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Voroshilovets Tractor uses
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 06:46 AM UTC
Hi All,

I'm a real fan of Trumpeters new Voroshilovets Tractor, however aside from towing heavy artillery did the tractor have any other daily uses? I'm trying to find a legit reason to use it in a dio. For example did it ever carry supplies or munitions, or was it ever used in airfields for example?

The reference info I find on the tractor only seems to make reference to towing artillery or tanks.

Do we have any support vehicle experts who might be able to shed some light on its uses?
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 07:13 AM UTC
Hi Jon

maybe this?

http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/6-militaer-ww2/8634-schwerer-artillerieschlepper-voroshilovez-trumpeter.html

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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 07:38 AM UTC
Thanks Nils, now THATS unexpected but it looks really cool for sure!
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 07:39 AM UTC
Hi Jon

This one is towing 2 trailers :



and this one has apparently been turned into a trench digging/earth boring machine :



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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 07:57 AM UTC
Hi Gundam Mecha:





Voroshilovets tactor could haul other tanks (T28 and T35) so it could use it as a sort of recovery tank
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 08:08 AM UTC
Try to get a copy of this book:
http://www.tankograd.com/cms/website.php?id=/de/index/publikationen/gazette/tyagatshi.htm
It's all about the tractor!
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 08:09 AM UTC
Captured:









I found those pics here

http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/su/su.htm

(....but probably you've already known this site)
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 08:38 AM UTC
Thanks guys, I didnt know tankograd did a book on this tractor! Nice.

Mauro that airfield photo is very interesting as actually I was hoping to involve one in an airfield diorama, but I wasnt sure if the Soviet Air Forces used them at all. Seems the Germans did.

It's certainly a more interesting looking kit than me sticking a GAZ truck in the scene.
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 10:02 AM UTC

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Mauro that airfield photo is very interesting as actually I was hoping to involve one in an airfield diorama, but I wasnt sure if the Soviet Air Forces used them at all. Seems the Germans did.


Now all you have to find is a 1/35th scale Junker 86

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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 10:36 AM UTC

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Mauro that airfield photo is very interesting as actually I was hoping to involve one in an airfield diorama, but I wasnt sure if the Soviet Air Forces used them at all. Seems the Germans did.


I looked for some russian airfield pic with Voroshilovets tractor but i didn't find it

However probably also russian army used them as ground support vehicle.
When an airfield is snow-covered, a tractor is most useful and effective than a Truck...

But unfortunately i can't demonstrate this theory with a pic...
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 11:17 AM UTC
Komintern tractors on airfields





...so probably...
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Posted: Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 08:55 PM UTC

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Hi All,

For example did it ever carry supplies or munitions, or was it ever used in airfields for example?


Supplies - http://radikal.ru/F/i030.radikal.ru/0907/34/2cede5401374.jpg.html

Experimental 85-mm anti-aircraft and anti-tank self-propelled gun - http://www.o5m6.de/85mm_52-K_M1939.html

Enjoy !

Also note:
the vehicles on aerodrome with Ju-86 bombers (in Mauro post) are not Voroshilovets tractors - it is usual ZiS-5 truck (most right vehicle at right hand on photo) and German fuel tank truck (looks like Borgward with canvas top cab for me).

Ed.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 04:51 AM UTC
Thanks Ed.

Do you know if there are any reported cases of Voroshilovets being used on Russian Airfields?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 05:29 AM UTC
No one case of the using of Voroshilovets tractors on Russian aerodromes is known.
There were used mostly trucks - ZiS, GAZ, Lend-Lease trucks, and tracked tractors of civilian type - for example, STZ-NATI:


Sometimes could be used civilian wheeled tractors of old, "farmer" types - for examle, like this SKhTZ-NATI "oldie":


Sometimes the local and army workshops did closed cabins for more comfortable conditions for tractor's drivers:
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 07:21 AM UTC
Thanks!

Are there any 1/35 kits of STZ-NATI?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 07:49 AM UTC

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Also note:
the vehicles on aerodrome with Ju-86 bombers (in Mauro post) are not Voroshilovets tractors - it is usual ZiS-5 truck (most right vehicle at right hand on photo) and German fuel tank truck (looks like Borgward with canvas top cab for me).
Ed.


Hi Eduard, thanks a lot for infos and pics.
The site were I found the pic said that it were Voroshilovets tractors, but surely it's an incorrect deduction (in the pic the tractors are very small). Could they be Komintern tractors as depicted in the photos of my second post?

Thanks again

Cheers

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Posted: Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 06:53 AM UTC

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The site were I found the pic said that it were Voroshilovets tractors, but surely it's an incorrect deduction (in the pic the tractors are very small). Could they be Komintern tractors as depicted in the photos of my second post?


Neither Komintern, nor Voroshilovets tractors cannot be there on a photo.
Distinctive sign is very simple: the truck have a big distance between rear wheels and rear side of cargo platform, whereas the tractor have small distance between rear wheel (rear part of tracks) and rear side of platform, or it have almost no any distance.
On Your photo we can see LARGE distance to rear side of platform; that is why it is usual truck.

Ed.
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