Who cares about one-offs that may have even existed or paper panzers when you can have a Stug based on a Japanese cartoon?
StuG III Ausf. G Mid (July ‘43) Production mit Schuerzen “Die Erzaehlung des Schwarten Ritters”
Well, while I disagree with Cookie about the tracks, I sure do share his opion on the subject matter. But as he noted, it'll probably sell like hotcakes in Japan. Whatever floats one's boat.
I'm still puzzled.
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THE CH one-off to end all one-offs?
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Posted: Sunday, December 19, 2010 - 09:22 PM UTC
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Well, while I disagree with Cookie about the tracks, I sure do share his opion on the subject matter. But as he noted, it'll probably sell like hotcakes in Japan. Whatever floats one's boat
Make that two of us extremely puzzled....
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 01:09 AM UTC
I think it would sell in Japan as well as a Jeb Stuart "Haunted Tank" would in the US. They (Japanese) were part of the Axis, don't don't really expect them to write a fictionalized comic book about the heroic forces that beat them?
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While I cringe at the idea of turning an SS unit into comic-book action heros for youngsters to idolise I think this kit is no worse than all those "cult of Wittman" Tigers, or the unsavoury way some folks try to de-Nazify the Leibstandarte SS Adolph Hitler unit by removing the "SS" from their abreviation.
Leaving aside the nasty taste of Reich politics, is it a better kit to get than a "standard" DML Stug III? It'll need zimm & replacement decals, of course...
Tom
Leaving aside the nasty taste of Reich politics, is it a better kit to get than a "standard" DML Stug III? It'll need zimm & replacement decals, of course...
Tom
vahleof
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 02:28 AM UTC
while being a chinese, I can understand the concept of CH behind this kit.
In Japan as well as China, almost all modelers are young adult, not mentioning teenagers, as opposed to more mature and older
adult in western world. So I guest a kit based on Manga will sell like hot potatos in China and Japan.
Can't help that CH is based in China
In Japan as well as China, almost all modelers are young adult, not mentioning teenagers, as opposed to more mature and older
adult in western world. So I guest a kit based on Manga will sell like hot potatos in China and Japan.Can't help that CH is based in China
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While I cringe at the idea of turning an SS unit into comic-book action heros for youngsters to idolise I think this kit is no worse than all those "cult of Wittman" Tigers, or the unsavoury way some folks try to de-Nazify the Leibstandarte SS Adolph Hitler unit by removing the "SS" from their abreviation.
Tom
The difference is that Wittmann was a real person and an accomplished tank commander, and the base for this is a cartoon.
cheers
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 03:02 AM UTC
Seems to be one of a series, as there's a Panther A as well. Discussed a few weeks ago here:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/166561#1399205
- Steve
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/166561#1399205
- Steve
barkingdigger
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 03:57 AM UTC
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The difference is that Wittmann was a real person and an accomplished tank commander, and the base for this is a cartoon.
cheers
Indeed, the hero-fiction element adds an unpleasant twist...
The question still remains - is this kit a better buy for a Stug III given the extra goodies?
Tom
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 06:56 AM UTC
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while being a chinese, I can understand the concept of CH behind this kit.
In Japan as well as China, almost all modelers are young adult, not mentioning teenagers, as opposed to more mature and older
Can't help that CH is based in China
In Japan, manga is more mainstream than it is in the US. Ride the subway in the morning and you'll see Salarymen and Office Ladies reading manga on their way to work.
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seemed weird to me too (and somewhat distasteful), but what can you do?
from the modeler's point of view i guess it's a pretty redundant kit (just get the regular one, and knock yourself out); but if your a fan of that manga than it make sense purchasing it.
from the modeler's point of view i guess it's a pretty redundant kit (just get the regular one, and knock yourself out); but if your a fan of that manga than it make sense purchasing it.
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 08:07 AM UTC
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seemed weird to me too (and somewhat distasteful), but what can you do?
from the modeler's point of view i guess it's a pretty redundant kit (just get the regular one, and knock yourself out).
Not really, there is a unique combination of parts not found in the other Dragon and CH StuG kits, as Frank De Sisto pointed out in his review.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/477322/message/1290793982/Kit%2C+Cyberhobby+6658%2C+StuG.III+Ausf.G+Mid+%28July+%9243%29+Production+mit+Sch%FCrzen+Schwartzen+Ri
As a StuG fan, I'll probably buy it.
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Seems to be one of a series, as there's a Panther A as well. Discussed a few weeks ago here:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/166561#1399205
- Steve
It is one of a series. There are supposed to be 5 to the whole series.....Dragon produced them all in a diecast form at one time....however I can't find the page I saw them on now, but I believe there was a PzIV G, Stug IV and a King Tiger in the series as well...but don't quote me on that.
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I have the Cyber Hobby Panther A "Black Knight" Kit. I bought some Cavalier Zimmerit and I have some aftermarket Decals and I think this will be a great kit.By the way...I used to read Sgt. Rock, Sgt. Fury, Weird War and all of the other war comics as a kid. Most of my reference material is about German AFVs. Am I glorifying the Nazis? I dont think so...it's just what interests me. I think the Japanese are the same with these comics.
PS: The figures depicted are Whermacht soldiers and not SS.
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Did you ever wonder what happened to Gary Skinner from Columbus, Ohio? He had a letter to the editor published in almost every damned comic in the DC/National Periodicals lineup back in the 1960s. Probably ended up as Professor Emeritus of American Literaure at Harvard.
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 05:09 PM UTC
I wonder if the real question needing to be asked is why would anyone be surprised that the Japanese would create a manga like this about WWII Nazis and that there would be merchandise, especially model kits, for said series?
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I wonder if the real question needing to be asked is why would anyone be surprised that the Japanese would create a manga like this about WWII Nazis and that there would be merchandise, especially model kits, for said series?
That question can encompass a large amount of material on that subject. There's a mystique which surrounds the supposed superiority of the Axis military forces which attains incredulously mythical proportions, sometimes to the point of deification. Interest in Nazi-era history has created a cash cow in the form of books, movies, hobby kits, memorabilia, etc. Consider the popularity of WWII Axis armor kits, for example. If there was no interest, there would be no market for them, would there? These kits outsell other categories by a margin of at least 5-6 to 1.
The internet is loaded with sites dedicated to Third Reich, Wehrmacht/SS discussion groups; and, they seem to outnumber Allied sites by at least 2 to 1. You'll find plenty of discussion about German tank commanders, and their crews, from obscure armored formations. The same can't be said of the "good" guys. To put it bluntly, evil sells. The individual Axis soldier wasn't necessarily evil; but, the politics and policies that his military force represented and enforced, with out a doubt, were. If anyone thinks not; then you're delusional or just make moral equivocations to justify your interest. It's more honest to admit one is interested in this material because of its unique, albeit abhorrent, history and legacy, rather than other less than credible pretexts.
Just my opinion.
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PS: The figures depicted are Whermacht soldiers and not SS.
I meant to say Wehrmacht.
Listen Guys...my Grandfather earned his CIB fighting Germans in WWII. I earned my Drinking Badge fighting Germans...and Americans...in the beer halls of Germany.
Ever since I was a little kid I've been fascinated by the German WWII AFVs. I always built German stuff even before I knew about the politics of the Third Reich. I think it's the variety of vehicles and camo schemes.
I build what interests me and I'm not apologetic about it in the least. My Father-in-Law, a Korean War vet, laid a guilt trip on me and asked why I didn't build more Allied vehicles...I told him I was more interested in the German stuff and we left it at that.
Different cultures...different points of view.
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Quoted Text.
PS: The figures depicted are Whermacht soldiers and not SS.
I meant to say Wehrmacht.
Listen Guys...my Grandfather earned his CIB fighting Germans in WWII. I earned my Drinking Badge fighting Germans...and Americans...in the beer halls of Germany.
Ever since I was a little kid I've been fascinated by the German WWII AFVs. I always built German stuff even before I knew about the politics of the Third Reich. I think it's the variety of vehicles and camo schemes.
I build what interests me and I'm not apologetic about it in the least. My Father-in-Law, a Korean War vet, laid a guilt trip on me and asked why I didn't build more Allied vehicles...I told him I was more interested in the German stuff and we left it at that.
Different cultures...different points of view.
I've been thrown out of more gasthauses across the length and breadth of Germany, plus numerous joints in neighboring countries, than I could name. Not to mention, getting thrown out more than once from the same place on the same night. Persistent, I am.
I build German stuff for the same reasons you mentioned. Sure, there's plenty of Allied vehicles; but, the choice is limited to variations of a few celebrity vehicles like Shermans, Churchills, and a couple of others. To me, modelling Allied stuff reminds me of this Wendy's commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWAKtYGJZSM
nice, but, boring.The Germans were just a bit more innovative, mostly out of necessity, when it came to designing and fielding hardware.
The point of my skreed was that, regardless of the subject matter, the darker side seems to attract the most interest. And, Nazi-related material fits the bill in this case. As far as a manga comic is concerned, I would think that due to the subject, the plot line is pretty much self-limiting. There are only so many battles that the "heroes" of the comic can win, if ye get me drift.
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Face the facts of life guys. There are people who cry foul about much in life. Some even to this day refuse to belive of the crimes comitted by various armies through out history supported by insane governments. Most of my grandfathers and stepfathers family was from the area of Hungery and of course they were treated to horrible deaths. And we still have hate crimes comited each and every day in every country. Here in the U.S. because of our freedom of speach Etc., we have groups like the K.K.K., the minutemen, the Ariyan brotherhood and too many so called gangs that run rampent. I'm sure world wide they exist too. Personally, to glorify any group of people as these is a statment of support for them. I would not condem the people who read these comic books as it is thier choice. I can not support those actions in my own belifes and as long as they desire to read them and not act out with the thoughts that they are supperior, they are free to do so. In my own stock of figures I have 4 to 5 sets of axis to every allied because that's the market. When I buils axis dios I do not (and most probably are in the same train of thought) glorifying them but building a part of history. I personaly know a few who love axis war machines for one reason, the variety is huge and face it, pretty interesting. So if a small mind glorifies thoughts as those, it is thier right. A company is in buisness to make money, and if it sells they will produce it for profit. I must tell myself at times that because it sells and people buy them and some rant and rave about the right of fanatical politics and thier actions of purifying the world, it doesn't make them right. That is why people stand up and make a fight for freedom. It's a hobby to me, not the glorification of cruel politics. Still I wonder where the world is headed when small brains think of movies and comic books that childeren and so called adults read that justify the reason of superiority of one people over another. Now the question of the kit, is it better than any other, I couldn't tell you. But if you are into axis armor, by all means knock your self out with it. Maybe they should just seperate the garbage from the model and leave a better taste in some mouths. Just my ten cents worth:-[ ]
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