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Posted: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 10:54 PM UTC
Well, you've been doing an excellent work dude

i'm sorry if i didn't follow but i was far from the net these days

Before you start painting I'd like to get you some other interesting link that i've found. I hope those will be useful for you :

a short walkaround
http://www.jagdtiger.de/SovietVeh/KV-2-01.htm

some videos
http://www.net-planet.org/business/videos/index.php?key=kv2

a LOT of german KV2 ancient pics
http://anonymous-generaltopics.blogspot.com/2010/08/kv-2-pictures-revisited.html

some other interesting pics
http://anonymous-generaltopics.blogspot.com/2010/05/kv-2_31.html

My two cents. If I was you i would do a winter camo with Airspray tecnique



because in my opinion, the large surfaces of kv2 tank, are ideal to obtain great results. See for exemple a 1/16 kv2 made by the "Guru" Mig Guimenez



So, now i'll wait your next step

Cheers
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 01:26 AM UTC
OOOOPS!!

I'm really getting older

I give you links and references for a WRONG kv2 version

I'm sorry, I'll trt to find something correct

Cheers

(BTW, i confirm my opinion about the Airspray technique...)
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 01:58 AM UTC
Alex thanks for the suggestion. I usually wait a day or so before I paint after priming. I have been building car models for the last few years and priming is essential for finding flaws. That is one of the things I love about military modeling, imperfections are welcome as a battle worn piece of armour is far from perfect.

Mauro, I really like Jimenez's KV as most of the white is worn off. Very convincing. I can't say for sure that the MT-1 KV was whitewashed as I have yet to see a pic of one painted as such. They didn't make very many to begin with from what I can gather.

If I can't find proof I may just stick to the dark green. I thought I would go with the light green for variety when I build my KV-1. But then again I could aways paint the KV-1 with a white wash, or the T-34 or the SU-100..........
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 02:19 AM UTC

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If I can't find proof I may just stick to the dark green. I thought I would go with the light green for variety when I build my KV-1. But then again I could aways paint the KV-1 with a white wash, or the T-34 or the SU-100..........


Well, that's right So I hope to see soon your "big Joseph's head" finished
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 04:46 AM UTC
Collins, if you find a proof of white washed (by Russians) KV-2 (any turret mod), please post it here. I have never heard of one, so it will be really interesting. As far as I know only Germans did that.
Thanks!
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 05:43 AM UTC
Hi Alex

there are some drawings:



KV-2 in winter colors. Kalinin Front, January 1942

(ref "KV-2", Voyennyje Mashiny, No. 67, ~2006)





KV-2. Moscow area, the end of 1941
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 08:03 AM UTC
Thanks, Mauro! Yes, I have seen those pictures, and I have that issue of Voyennyje Mashiny (#63, acually, not 67) Thanks for translation, but I am fluent in Russian.
Anyway, I was talking about photos of such, not an artist depiction. In theory, if KV-2 survived over the winter 41-42, they could be white-washed by soviets. And when an artist made those pictures did he based it on an actual photo? Or was it just an assumption?
As far the photo of KV getting stuck in a mud (or whatever it is), I am pretty positive it is German. What do you think about all of this?



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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 03:36 PM UTC

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Thanks for translation, but I am fluent in Russian.

Lucky you! I wish I was!


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Anyway, I was talking about photos of such, not an artist depiction. In theory, if KV-2 survived over the winter 41-42, they could be white-washed by soviets. And when an artist made those pictures did he based it on an actual photo? Or was it just an assumption?


Well, i don't know Alex .When I read your post, I've looked for pics but to be honest i didn't find it. But in my humble opinion the lack of reference pics doesn't mean that the Kw 2 were never "washed" in white. White wash camo, as you sure know, was a standard pattern on russian tanks, so there's no reason to think that it was never applied on Kv2. And after all, a slow huge tank painted in 4bo green could be a sitting duck on a snowy background... Anyway, a lack of reference pics it's a pity indeed


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As far the photo of KV getting stuck in a mud (or whatever it is), I am pretty positive it is German. What do you think about all of this?


Yes,in your pic a balkenkreutz is visible. In my low res pic i couldn't see it, so probably the tank depicted is german.

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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2011 - 05:31 AM UTC
With outside help I was able to find one photo. Winter 1941-42.

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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2011 - 06:11 AM UTC
Finally! As i thought, a huge green tank must be hidden better in a snowy background

Winter 1941-42? It could be the same depicted in the drawing which i posted before

I saved your pic, thanks a lot Alex
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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2011 - 07:33 AM UTC

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Winter 1941-42? It could be the same depicted in the drawing which i posted before
I saved your pic, thanks a lot Alex

Most likely the drawing is based on those tanks.
You're welcome!
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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2011 - 07:53 AM UTC
Managed to get some paint on today. It's actually a little more "green" than in the photo. I just mixed up some colours I had. Of course this is just the beginning.

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Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 - 01:07 PM UTC
This is where I am at the moment. I still have to dirty it up. Maybe a little mud even. All I've used is acrylic and graphite. I don't know if I over did it a little or not but it sure is used.



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Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 - 05:56 PM UTC

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This is where I am at the moment. I still have to dirty it up. Maybe a little mud even. All I've used is acrylic and graphite. I don't know if I over did it a little or not but it sure is used.


Well, in my opinion is enough...Really well done!
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Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 - 06:49 PM UTC
Wow, that hulking beast looks like it's near the end of its service life, great job on the weathering. I would like to know how you employ the use of graphite in your weathering process.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 01:17 AM UTC
Thanks guys. The weathering process is really important to me. It makes the model for me and I wanted to make sure I get this part of the build down.

The graphite application was simple. All I did is rub a soft pencil along some edges or high use areas. Then you can rub it with a your finger or whatever. You can get blending stumps in artist supply stores just for rubbing graphite. If you use a pencil on a flat surface you'll want to smear it to make the pencil marks blend. Shouldn't need to do this along the edge of a surface like the turret for example. Just use the broad side of the graphite.
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Posted: Friday, January 14, 2011 - 04:49 AM UTC
I'm calling this done. My first tank under my belt. Hope you like.









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Posted: Friday, January 14, 2011 - 05:20 AM UTC
Really well done!! Congrats!

In my opinion you did an excellent wethering job, especially on the track links
Your mud is very convincing in my opinion

As i said for your nice Quad, now you have to do a little diorama to enhanche further your work


Cheers and congrats again
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Posted: Friday, January 14, 2011 - 07:04 AM UTC
Nice finish. I am glad you left off the markings and decided against the white wash. Your damaged fenders and tool boxes nicely demonstrate the limitations of styrene..too thick and the damage looks like melted plastic not deformed metal. Consider experimenting with photoetch on your next one for a more realistic scale thickness and damage effect. Realy outstanding for a first. What is next??
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Posted: Friday, January 14, 2011 - 08:39 AM UTC
Thanks guys glad you like. You never know I may make a base.

Panzerdoc, I think your are saying my damage looks like melted plastic? I can appreciate your observation and the fenders may give that impression. However, the stowage box cover isn't actually styrene, it's the foil from a wine bottle. I think it works fine.

I was going to thin the fenders but as the 1:1 has a wider lip along the edge I thought I'd leave it alone. If I were to do it over I suppose I could have rebuilt that one section with something other than styrene. Always a next time.
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